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travisncali



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 6:07 pm    Post subject: Locked? Should I just show up w/o a job take2 Reply with quote

MOD EDIT To briefly describe my past questions I have put a short list below. For those who are veterans and actually can help, I would appreciate you looking at my first post, so you are not redundant with answers and comments and waisting your time. Thanks a million. I appreciate and welcome all replies and help; inlcuding those from pessimistic educators Sad.

1. Should I just show up in Taipei without a job contract?
2. Is it normal to take a month after an interview to begin work?
3. How long does it take to find a great job?
4. In Korea it is almost impossible to leave your contract and still work in the country within your visa time, How is the situation in Taiwan?
5. How much money do I need when I first show up? I will be staying at a Hostel, drinking a few at night, and I eating somewhat decently.
6. I am trying to budget about 12000NT for a place in Taipei, will that get me a decent furnished accommadation?

Thank you everyone for the help!!!
Cheers,
Travis
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BigWally



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

many of these questions have been answered, and you could find more detailed answers by doing some searches..none the less, the short version is as follows

1) many people say yes, show up with no job and you can find one

2) not always, some schools may need you to fill a class immediately

3) depending on job availability, time of year, and your defention of great

4) if the school you're working for sponsored your ARC you may have a tough time quitting and finding a new job before your ARC is cancelled (usually not recommended from posts i've read, but i'll leave this one to veterans)

5) $1000 - $3000 CDN/USD, opinions vary based upon lifestyle

6) not sure about rent prices in Taipei, i've heard its more expensive than Kaohsiung, and $12000NT is a decent price for a 1 bedroom in Ktown, but i'll leave this one for Taipei locals

Ganbei! Surprised
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travisncali



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks BigWally, I appreciate the time. I have been searching all over for the answers and have found it easier just to ask and see what the veterans are saying. Hopefully, I will find out more information from the Taipei peeps. So how is Ktown, btw. I have not heard much about it. Most of the ads try to spruce it up by saying that it is near Kenting beach national park. That is actually one of the big reasons why I stayed away from searching the area to much hype about the beach and not the city.

Thanks again. BigWally. Good luck in your future!
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TaoyuanSteve



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 4:26 am    Post subject: Re: Locked? Should I just show up w/o a job take2 Reply with quote

travisncali wrote:

1. Should I just show up in Taipei without a job contract?


I would say yes. Would you take a job sight unseen in your own country-- for that matter, would an employer take an employee without interview in your own country? I'm anti recruiter; I think they aren't necessary and a bad risk. Also, you are looking for a job in Taipei. Alot of the jobs recruiters offer are not in the city.

travisncali wrote:
2. Is it normal to take a month after an interview to begin work?


No. Only if a job is to be offered at the start for the next term and they are interviewing for ahead of time. Most jobs you will interview for will be looking for fairly immediate start dates, unless they say otherwise.

travisncali wrote:
3. How long does it take to find a great job?


Great is subjective. The average tefl job can be had in days here. But, as I said in the locked thread, a lot depends on what the employee is looking for.

travisncali wrote:
4. In Korea it is almost impossible to leave your contract and still work in the country within your visa time, How is the situation in Taiwan?


It is possible to change jobs and sponsors without leaving the country, provided everything is done correctly.

travisncali wrote:
5. How much money do I need when I first show up? I will be staying at a Hostel, drinking a few at night, and I eating somewhat decently.


How much have you got? I'd say a couple thousand. I'd recommend avoiding the expat pubs and eateries until your income is stable. Beer in those pubs can range from 150-200nt per pint; food can cost anywhere from 500nt to up to 1000nt per person. By way of comparison, cans of beer from the 7-11 can be had for under 50nt each and local meal boxes can be had for under 100nt.

travisncali wrote:
6. I am trying to budget about 12000NT for a place in Taipei, will that get me a decent furnished accommadation?


I think that'd get you a taofang (sort of a mini bachelor's suite with a bathroom and a hot plate) in the expensive parts of the city for the amount you are alotting. You could probably get a proper apartment for that some distance out of the city center.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 5:52 am    Post subject: Re: Locked? Should I just show up w/o a job take2 Reply with quote

travisncali wrote:
1. Should I just show up in Taipei without a job contract?

Yes. I know it sounds odd. I couldn't believe it either before I came to Taiwan, but you'll see it makes perfect sense once you're here.

travisncali wrote:
2. Is it normal to take a month after an interview to begin work?

No. Most schools are looking to fill positions immediately. The only way you would wait a month to begin work is if they were hiring in advance for the next semester.

travisncali wrote:
3. How long does it take to find a great job?

My job searches have taken anywhere between one week and one month, but it took me over a year to find a great job.

travisncali wrote:
4. In Korea it is almost impossible to leave your contract and still work in the country within your visa time, How is the situation in Taiwan?

Your resident visa is tied to your job. Employers are required to inform the authorities upon termination of your employment. Once your ARC is cancelled you have 14 days to get out, but you can always come back. It's possible to avoid the visa run; however, it depends entirely upon your employer keeping your ARC valid until you get a sponsor.

travisncali wrote:
5. How much money do I need when I first show up? I will be staying at a Hostel, drinking a few at night, and I eating somewhat decently.

$2000 will keep you for about two months. That allows you one month to find employment, and enough money to keep you until you start getting paid, but it will require you to live somewhat frugally. It's just common sense, the more extravagant your life style, the more money you will need.

travisncali wrote:
6. I am trying to budget about 12000NT for a place in Taipei, will that get me a decent furnished accommadation?

Sorry, I've never lived in Taipei, so I can't help you there.
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TaoyuanSteve



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 6:08 am    Post subject: Re: Locked? Should I just show up w/o a job take2 Reply with quote

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Your resident visa is tied to your job. Employers are required to inform the authorities upon termination of your employment. Once your ARC is cancelled you have 14 days to get out, but you can always come back. It's possible to avoid the visa run; however, it depends entirely upon your employer keeping your ARC valid until you get a sponsor.


True, yes. However, recent rule changes enable you to take on additional sponsors. You can do this before resigning, making the transition smoother. Also, if you find yourself out of work, and your employer cancels your work permit, extensions can be (and are) granted if you obtain new employment, notify the FAP and begin processing before your 14 days are up.
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kuberkat



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

THE ART OF WAR IN INTERVIEWING

1. Logistics
Be sure to arrive at a time when the demand is high: late August or late January.

2. Allies And Enemies
Have at least five promising prospects lined up- meaning they have already offered you the job and you have said you would like to meet them in person first and check out the environment. Let each prospective employer know that you are considering several attractive offers.

3. Ammunition
Have your ducks in a row. That means your paperwork is ready and you have a jaw-dropping portfolio to show each employer. This portfolio would include a well-formulated cover letter and CV, at least one written letter of reference, a nice little essay about why you would like to teach English and maybe even a lesson plan. Since we live in the digital age, a (sterling) demo lesson on DVD would never go unnoticed. Also have at least twelve passport photos with you during any interview. You won't regret organizing a mobile phone line as soon as you arrive, since you will be doing a fair bit of hustlin'. (See, even talking about it makes you feel good, don't it?)

4. Supplies
If at all possible, be financially prepared to sit it out. I have been out of Taiwan for a while, so my estimates are a bit off, but do be sure you won't need to take a loan that will bind you to an employer.

5. Weaponry
Do your homework. Consider a few ways to present a lesson that may be useful in your teaching demos and first weeks' classes. To make your lessons effective, you will need to introduce and explain the principles, then give your students a chance to practice them, and finally test their ability to apply the principle. This is often done with activities and games. While the game should be fun, keep the focus on the principles taught.

6. Armour
As for any interview, you do want to put your best foot forward. And while you can't judge a book by its cover, better covers win more readers. Meaning? Look your best. Appearances count for a lot in Asian society at all times. Though most schools have quite an informal environment, be sure to be neat and presentable and as fresh as Taiwanese climate allows. Do some spying to find out what the dress code is.

7. Intelligence
Know your enemy. At least in a manner of speaking: of course it would be great if your employer is not an enemy but an ally. Do find out all you can about the employer: their website, online forums and also by interviewing their current employees frankly. This will help you anticipate future problems, know what they want from you and what needs negotiating.

8. Negotiations
Now that you have made yourself mouthwateringly irresistible to each prospective employer, you will be offered positions by all of them. This- and no earlier- is the time to negotiate. This swings the balance in your favour: you are the champion looking for an employer that meets your needs.

Choose wisely.
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BigWally



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

travisncali wrote:
Thanks BigWally, I appreciate the time. I have been searching all over for the answers and have found it easier just to ask and see what the veterans are saying. Hopefully, I will find out more information from the Taipei peeps. So how is Ktown, btw. I have not heard much about it. Most of the ads try to spruce it up by saying that it is near Kenting beach national park. That is actually one of the big reasons why I stayed away from searching the area to much hype about the beach and not the city.

Thanks again. BigWally. Good luck in your future!


So far Kaohsiung has been great. Food, entertainment, and the people have been awesome, obviously, as you can find many people saying the pollution can be a bit suprising at first but its not as bad as I was expecting. Mix that in with the humidity and it can be a bit nasty. I'd say the real trade off is that its got a lower cost of living that Taipei.

it is true its close(ish) to Kenting (1.5hr taxi/bus ride), been there already, my 3rd day in Taiwan, and it was everything i had hoped for, 5-6 foot waves in beautiful warm south china sea, 30+ degrees, and a nice breeze, not to mention beers on the beach...good times!!! Surprised

it can be a bit hard to find info about Ktown, but there are a few sites out there that can be helpful, connect kaohsiung, access kaohsiung, or you can do some google or wikipedia searches as the city is trying hard to boost tourism

cheers Surprised
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travisncali



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 7:47 am    Post subject: Thank You Everyone Reply with quote

Thank you everyone for your input and replies. I feel great about arriving soon. I just signed a three day contract that in return is paying for my plane ticket and a few nights in Taipei. So if all goes bad all I have to do is fly to Thailand and scuba dive for the winter. I appreciate the detail that you all put into to helping me!!!!! I hope that I will be able to repay the favor some day in the future. Thanks again!

Travis
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markholmes



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I just signed a three day contract that in return is paying for my plane ticket and a few nights in Taipei. So if all goes bad all I have to do is fly to Thailand and scuba dive for the winter.


They are paying your flight before you leave your home country? It's quite unusual for companies to pay flights at all in Taiwan and even more unusual that they would pay for anything when you haven't yet reached Taiwan (beocuase of the obvious risk you might do a runner).

What do you mean by a three day contract?

Where is the school?

Give details (wages / hours).
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travisncali



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well Mark, I have been searching for employment for awhile now and found a school that was in need of a teacher for only a few days of work. I negotiated a contract with them, where they are paying for my hotel in Taipei and board, plus a few extra nights. My wage is a round-trip ticket from LAX. I found it reasonable considering my case. I scratch their back and work my ass off, and I get to come to Taipei for nearly free. It will give me a chance to see if Taipei is really the city in Taiwan that I want to teach in. It also gives me a great reference from a Taiwanese school.
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Toe Save



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

travisncali wrote:
Well Mark, I have been searching for employment for awhile now and found a school that was in need of a teacher for only a few days of work. I negotiated a contract with them, where they are paying for my hotel in Taipei and board, plus a few extra nights. My wage is a round-trip ticket from LAX. I found it reasonable considering my case. I scratch their back and work my ass off, and I get to come to Taipei for nearly free. It will give me a chance to see if Taipei is really the city in Taiwan that I want to teach in. It also gives me a great reference from a Taiwanese school.


This sounds too good to be true. Hope it isn't. After you complete this mini-contract we'd all be thrilled to hear how it turns out.

Good Luck.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's sounds like a cool deal, but I have to agree with Toe Save. But then again if you can fly to Taipei without parting with any cash, then I guess you can't lose.
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travisncali



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, guys(and girls) I hope that it all works out, too. It is off the topic though and I would like to stick with the orginal topic if we could. My concern is not the contract that I have already signed and the plane ticket that is already paid for. It is with everything else that I mentioned before.
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Toe Save



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

travisncali wrote:
Well, guys(and girls) I hope that it all works out, too. It is off the topic though and I would like to stick with the orginal topic if we could. My concern is not the contract that I have already signed and the plane ticket that is already paid for. It is with everything else that I mentioned before.


It's give and take Travis. You are asking for help and people here are providing you with key tidbits of info. A lot of folks have given of their time and experience to help you and other n00bs. Give a little back when you can, is all we ask.

You have also sparked everyone's interest with the deal you've struck. I, for one, hope I don't end up saying, "I told you so," but you are telling us about a deal that is nigh on unbelievable. So give a little back to the board by sharing as much news about this "deal" as you see fit. Especially once it is all said and done.

Cool?
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