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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Killed by a stingray...

"He died how he Lived" May he rest in peace.

Nineisone, I see what you're saying, but there's still a very large difference between what a state (a non-living entity) and a person thinks, says, does, and can converse about. With respect to the OP's question, people make the difference, not the state. I suppose it matters in that a place like Iran with religious police walking around, or in Cuba with plainclothes state agents, you wouldn't want to be causing grief discussing certain ideas openly in the streets, but now that's a political issue and not one of personal philosophy or belief.
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lozwich



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MELEE wrote:
Shocked Killed like murdered? Shocked Bitten by a poisenous snake? or the show has been cancelled? Maybe his wife will get her own show? As you know "El Casador del Crocodilos" is quite popular here in Mexico...


He got killed by a stingray barb to the chest, which is thought to have given him a heart attack. http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200609/s1732835.htm

Some people thought he was a bit unconventional, but he did a great deal to educate the public about the environment, and I think he'll be missed. But Guy's right. What better way to go than doing what you love?
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roadwalker



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, lots more responses today! Oh, kangeroos and cocodrilos. Question

Thanks for the tip about Santiago, Melee. I haven't had much contact with Chileans, but the fact that they just elected a 'fallen woman' as their president says something about their attitude. I was thinking maybe Buenas Aires or Montevideo might be good locations due to their reputation as more European, but I don't have any real knowledge about either.

On the other hand, finding a non-religious nirvana is no doubt a pipe dream. Cuba, would be interesting, but I have a little fear in the back of my head that the US govt would find out about it and upon my return would snatch me up and send me to ....Guantanamo! Plus, I haven't searched past threads, but it would not seem to be a place to make a living. I've only met a few Cubans but I wouldn't say they are irreligious. One I met was heavily into the local religion, the name of which escapes me. Santaria?

And I did enjoy the Crocodile Hunter. He was quite entertaining and informative, too. Personally I hope to die of old age.
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lozwich



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Something just occurred to me that reminds me why I love Australia. Melee asked if Steve Irwin was murdered. Yeah, sure we have our fair share of that, but I can't remember the last time someone who was famous was murdered.

As for Montevideo, someone once told me it was a very conservative and boring place. Not been there myself, but even if the people are non religious you might find conservative coming from other areas. I've heard similar murmurs about Santiago as well.

People in Colombia are largely Catholic, but most people I've met are non-practising. Often when we have a public holiday, I ask people what its for, what the religious basis is and so on, and often I get a "I dunno" kind of disinterested answer. No-one here cares about my religious orientation, and there are lots of things like Buddhist centres, yoga classes and vegetarian restaurants around. I get the impression that people are quite open to different ideas.

And that's one of the things I love about Colombia. Wink
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ls650



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Something just occurred to me that reminds me why I love Australia.
I just finished reading Bill Bryson's book "Down Under" (though I think the title was different in the USA). It's short but an entertaining read.
(Sorry for going on that tangent.)
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Justin Trullinger



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As for Ecuador, I enjoyed the asbence of mormons, they had been expelled from that country.


Hmmm. They have returned. Though in fact, no one that I know has any knowledge of them actually having been expelled. They're quite active in charity work, which I appreciate, though I don't care much for the missionary attitude that many have. (In most religions, "missionary" seems to mean "convert as many as possible, as quickly as possible," which I find lacking in cultural tolerance. In some missionary organisations, it also seems to mean "offer people much-needed help, but only if they take on our religion!" which I find despicable.)

But the Mormons are definitely here- and no better nor worse than any other missionary group, in my opinion. Taken as individuals, some are stellar, and some are quite the opposite. Kind of like other folks. (We had a Mormon teacher working here a while ago, and she rocked!)

But if you're looking for a Mormon-free zone, it ain't here. I'm not sure where it might be, but it ain't here.

Best,

Justin
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roadwalker



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got nothing against Mormons. It isn't like some of my best friends are Mormon, but I am related to a few. Many are nice people. If you ever need a lot of guys to help you move on a Saturday morning who won't show up hungover, this is the church for you! (At least until Saturday night.) In terms of beliefs, they are no better or worse than any other theology, though their post-New Testament scriptures kind of run up against known history in a way that can't be as blurred as the Old and New Testaments of other Christian religions. I do like that they use bicycles for two years. It isn't much, but it is a start.

Actually, there is one major Mormon-free zone Esl country- China. They don't send missionaries there, although they do send them to Taiwan. That is one of the things I liked about teaching in China besides the food. That is, I am for religious freedom, but it was a nice break for me personally. China is not likely in the near future to let in Mormon or Roman Catholic missionaries without a major carrot/stick combo. It is not the doctrine they care about, it is the power over peoples lives that religion can assume: The govt wants that power thank you very much.

Crikey! I'm off topic. Sorry mates!
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RyanS



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guy Courchesne wrote:
Sorry, this is off-topic. I got this email.

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Guy,
Hope you can help. I'm trying to find out if Skippy when it aired on Cuban tv was in English with Spanish subtitles or dubbed into Spanish and in my search came across the disscussion you had with a couple of other blokes about tv in Cuba on Dave's ESL Cafe. Any chance of you asking the blokes who saw it on tv if they remembered if it was in English or dubbed.
Thanks


Can anyone help with that? Ryans? Not sure what this Skippy thing is besides perhaps a kangaroo or a jar of peanut butter.


No idea what skippy is, peanut butter? An annoying nickname given to people?
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lozwich



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never heard of peanut butter being translated and aired on Cuban TV...
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Peanut butter doesn't speak very clearly in any language - I wouldn't be surprised if it had an interpreter at major functions and was translated on tv and radio.
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Perpetual Traveller



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lozwich wrote:
But since Skippy only made weird kind of clicking noises, not sure how they'd translate!


Actually the noises he made were pretty accurate, they really do make a strange sort of tsk tsk noise.

It is said that peanut butter was stuck to the roof of Mr Ed's mouth in order to make him appear to be talking... I wonder if they did the same thing to Skippy... and if so does that mean that both Mr Ed and Skippy speak 'Peanutbutterish'???

'What's that Skip?'
'*strange kangaroo tsking noises*'
'There's a boy stuck down the well?'
'more strange kangaroo tsking noises*'
'We'd better run and fetch help'

Laughing Laughing Laughing

Incidentally Loz, were you a fan of "The Late Show"'s 'Charlie The Wonder Dog'? Brilliant parody.

PT
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lozwich



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perpetual Traveller wrote:
Lozwich wrote:
But since Skippy only made weird kind of clicking noises, not sure how they'd translate!


Actually the noises he made were pretty accurate, they really do make a strange sort of tsk tsk noise.


Yeah, I know, but how do you say that in Spanish? Wink

Perpetual Traveller wrote:
Incidentally Loz, were you a fan of "The Late Show"'s 'Charlie The Wonder Dog'? Brilliant parody.


I think so, but since I've become very old, my memory is a bit shaky. I do remember Tom Gleisner's backyard circus though. Hilarious!

Check this out on YouTube: Skipinda the Punjabi Kangaroo... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myoaXyFsGwA Hilarious if you don't mind a lot of swearing. Laughing
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RyanS



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't understand a word of that.
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