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[papillon]

All you EF guys out there that are using the school computers to access private email accounts need to be aware that THE MAJORITY of school directors and DOS's are operating spyware programs such as keylogger on the computers.

Keylogger works very simply as a hidden program that sits behind whatever you are accessing and, well simply, records or logs every key strike made on the computer.

This will, of course, jeopardise your security passwords and other private, personal information.

This actually happened to me during my time at the Bekasi school (don't even think about posting a defence KJB). The Director accessed my personal Hotmail account and deleted job offers from other EF franchises before I could access them.

I discovered this by setting up an email addreess pretending to be a director from another EF school and emailed myself, I checked the email had arrived immediately afterwards and it had. Guess what? By the end of the day it had disappeared.

I changed my password (at the local internet cafe) and resent the email again, I didn't log into the school's system and sure enough it was there when I checked two days later. I didn't open it, logged in on the school's computer that night and sure enough by the following morning it was gone.

To avoid this make sure that you DO NOT use the school computers and only computers outside the school and DO NOT tell the school where you go.

Also, it would be great to get a few contracts from EF posted on this forum so people can see the gross variation in renumeration and conditions of 'employment'.

Paps

[TEAM_PAPUA]

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[Demonicat]

I'm looking into it now. Personally I doubt the veracity of these claims. why? simply put, I doubt that anyone would have the time to read every one's emails, every day.

[wannaBguru]

u are smart to doubt the info u see posted here, at least to a certain extent. i can guarantee u that is it 100% true, at least at the suara group. that is the only one i personally know about. i have seen copies of emails. u think they dont have time to read emails but can monitor your postings here? how many emails does each teacher write each day? 1 or 2? so how long would that take to read? not long. and u are worried that they monitor what u write on this foum, right? how do they know your nickname? why not just make a new name and then u are free to write whatever u want? better safe than sorry.

[Demonicat]

1. the results of my secret study were inconclusive. There are data miners present as well as active running processes. However there was also LOTS of spyware and adware. Therefore, I could not determine whether the data miners and keyloggers were put on here on purpose or through spyware.
2. I'm not worried at all, actually. I send nothing through my email that I'd be concerned with anyone reading. And as for what I post on here, to punish someone for speaking out against key logging and other secret squirel activities would mean having to admit publicly that such activities were going on.

[Dan The Chainsawman]

Wonjonbaboseki need not appear to be the face of rationality or even that of honesty. Wonjonbabo merely needs to assert his or her place in the grand cosmic dance of life. The sweet dance of life that whispers it's way across the ballroom floor with two enchanted beings appearing to have been carved from living marble. That is until they get closer and you realize the man has *beep* growing out of his forehead, and the woman has gentital warts so bad you can see them running down to her ankles.


I am shocked Demonicat that you have not learned the lessons I have tried to impart upon you.

Again.. for the last time.

Sanity and honesty need only be a superficial guise donned for the convience of Wonjonbaboseki.

Fear not direct confrontation from Wonjonbabo, but be wary of the indirect. Be wary of having a horse head in your bed with you one morning when you are sure that it was a hooker you went to bed with.


Go my child.. prosper.. or catch the clap. Either way.. be wise.

[Demonicat]

Son, I tell ya. The hangookin soapies have nothing on the level of ishonesty here. Hell, here its not even considered dishonest- just business as normal. Now, before I get a call into the office over that, let me iterate that I am not just talking 'bout work- I'm talking about all of Indonesia. A land where corruption is not just king, but is a godking like the pharoh. This place is where ethics and morals come to die. Funny that, in a land of religious extremism, where atheism and blasphemy are both illegal (blasphemy will soon carry the death penalty), corruption is rampant.

[Chris Patton]

Papillon said:

[gugelhupf]

Hmm. A sensible response methinks.

[beefer]

Chris, you need look no further than the author of the thread you are questioning. papillon wrote it and that instantly makes it lose all credit in my book. he's a proven idiot on this forum and continually says things that he can neither prove nor back-up. he doesn't even have the nuts to log in under his "papillon" name anymore, thats how much of a discrace he is to himself and to others. to tell you a little more about him, he has been moving throughout indonesia ( jakarta for the most part) and can't seem to last too long at any place ( kalimalang, bekasi, pondok indah, just to name a few) before getting fired. i won't drop to his level and reveal his name ( and you know i know it, don't you "j"?) but i hope someday soon that he will do it himself and start standing behind his ridiculous comments/ accusations.
with all of that being said, i hope your quest for information and closure on this stupid thread that was started by papillon goes well.

this post goes out to you as well, magpie(?)

[wannaBguru]

chris, congrats on a well written letter. this is not being written to flame u or anything else, but since u specifically directed your remarks to me, i feel i should respond. i use this site to exchange information, experience and knowledge, not spread lies or abuse other people.

i would like to address a few points. first, i didnt attack u or the suara group, merely related that i had seen a copy of an email that a teacher had written to a third party while using a school computer. a copy of it was provided months later by the management of the school. it is commendable that u are loyal to your employer, but u seem to be overly sensitive. i didnt attack them or u in my posting, merely stated a fact.

in keeping with the tradition of this forum and most forums on the internet, i choose a nickname months before i made my posting about key logging programs. yet u intimate that i am somehow less forthright than u because u signed your real name........... a little self-righteous. after all, your post helps u to earn brownie points with your employer. if u are going to take exception to everything written about your organization or ef in general, then u are going to have an exception filled stay here. it will be interesting to read your posts in the coming years.

i would love to know what kind of investigation u did. what did u do? ask gusti, sherly, agus or mustika if they had keylogger programs loaded? if you were investigating official complaints, of course there arent any because as u admitted, official records dont exist. no one wrote that teachers had complained about it. remember, teachers cannot complain about something if they dont know about it. u admitted that no offical records exist, so what was there for u to investigate? you can only ask the accused to give u imcriminating evidence against themselves. as anyone who has been in indonesia for more than 10 minutes knows, it is very easy to make official and unofficial info disappear. so please, tell me exactly what u did as part of your investigation.

i find it funny that u DEMAND that i reveal all to u. who are u to make demands? if they have a keylogger program, they would have the info as soon as u did. and even if i gave u all the details, exactly what could u do about it???????? ask management if the event really happened? kinda like asking the fox to guard the chicken house dont u think? i am sure they would answer u honestly and make a full disclosure. NOT!!! of course they would deny all. its not like u have the investigative tools of the FBI or Scotland Yard. DOSes are a dime a dozen. do u really think u have the power to change anything? or protect people people from retribution? i think not

anyway, if u are so powerful and free to conduct your own investigation, i have a suggestion. without prior notification to management, why dont u hire an independent tech to come in and sweep all the computers? that is the only way for u to know. u dont need any info from me or anyone else. stop being so pompous and check your computers. u and i both know that they will never allow a surprise inspection of their computers.

personally i dont care because i dont use those computers. good luck

[TEAM_PAPUA]

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[java_gila]

No...... probably a job offer

[TEAM_PAPUA]

[Dan The Chainsawman]