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[cj750]

It looks like some schools in Korea have bonded together to produce a "blacklist"
http://www.kftra.co.kr/black_list.asp


and that other countries are looking at their procedures for signing FTs on....

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10397576

and with headlines like this..

Bad teachers find way in foreign circuit by AP

it certainly shines a bad light on our profession...and may bring about a stronger set of regulations that will inhibit our ability to maintain employment...and if any teacher is marginal, forging documents or has a record..this may be the push that countries need to Findlay start treating this profession as one that needs checks and balances..but when an industry invites scrutiny of its workers ..it also invites scrutiny of itself...

http://etna.mcot.net/query.php?nid=24263

http://www.thaisnews.com/news_detail.php?newsid=184415

http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2006/08/30/200608300010.asp

[cj750]

But then again how do you finance this kind of industry wide changes...

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[no_exit]

[clark.w.griswald]

I also agree with the idea of teacher blacklisting but I don't agree that it should be on a public forum available to everyone. This leaves too much room for abuse in my opinion. A foreign teacher slagging off a school with untrue accusations is one thing but a school doing the same under the full name of the individual concerned is another.

I believe that teacher blacklisting should only be something done between registered schools each of which has access to this information privately. This would also help to make schools accountable for the information that they add to the list. Foreign teachers should have the right to any information about them on that list, and the right to challenge the record held.

Unfortunately there are a number of individuals here who should probably be on such a list and the threat of not being able to get legal work at a legal school for bad behavior with a past employer may be just enough encouragement to get those individuals to act responsibly.

But then we have to consider what would be considered reasonable justification for addition to the list... and this is a can of worms that I would prefer not to have to open.

[Tezcatlipoca]

You gotta worry about how easy it is for a school to abuse this kind of system...

I know that my ex-employer would like to say some choice things about me, since I had the gall to expect payment on time and to be told the truth...

[The Voice Of Reason]

This would seem to be the logical step in making matters worse for all concerned and ESL in China more ridiculous, and so my guess is that it will happen.

[no_exit]

[englishgibson]

Yes, this is Internet and it's difficult to keep both sides from saying whatever they'd like. Those forums are one example of who come to participate, what they say and how much info they provide about themselves when discussing issues. Then, how many of those on forums are real, I mean real readers that are interested for the sake of the discussions, themselves and their knowledge of the job market in China. How many share their true experiences on

I am one of the ones that some say have come here on forums to blacklist one mill in China. Then, I also am one that has been blacklisted (nobody knows it exists though) by that one mill too (with no chance to defend myself then). Well, not in that order really. I've come on the forums half a year after my .... and I will say it "wrongful dismissal". Right after that I was blacklisted within that mill without any chance to give my side of the story. Mind you, I had signed and worked more than two contracts with that mill prior to all that. (and I was in a management position)
I started on Chinese forums with "Unwelcome in the same city you have worked in" or something like that that I have posted first. Seeing negative postings on the same mill I was dismissed from, I participated too and then I shared my experiences/stories. I wish that some of you guys (especially the ones that've confronted me) knew what I went through after that. By the way, none of my experiences/stories on forums were made up.

Blacklisting of schools is one thing and blacklisting of teachers another one. Both are related in a sense and that is that both are subjective as already said. Internet provides an opportunity to discuss those subjective views, although it also provides a risk of who participates as it's been noted above.
Sharing experiences and justifying reasons for "trashing" some schools FTs at times come out with highly sensitive info on. Not that that info is always/often relevant, substantiated or true, but employers (usually Chinese) do have their own views of that. Who do we believe will be more truthful discussing a school/center/mill, the employer or the (former) employee? That's the question, isn't it?

There are all kinds on forums, and there would be all kinds on any discussions about blacklists.
These forums do still provide useful info on schools in China (employers' names exclusive), in my opinion.

Peace to all
and
cheers and beers to hard working FTs

[KES]

[cj750]

A black list would be intended to curb inappropriate behavior by either FT or School/business by describing offenders and their offensive behavior, expecting that people who read it will punish the offenders in one way or another.

[TEAM_PAPUA]

[englishgibson]

[cj750]

You should change your name to English Gibberish

[englishgibson]

Thanx for the clue, Clueful

Cheers and beers