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Tottori-Dood
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You are making a McDonalds wage in Japan with a lot more pressure than flipping burgers.
Most chains are similar.
Perform or out.
At least if you flip patties you can get by with a few burnt ones.
Not so with paying students.
Wake up. |
misinformation.
In fact you make more then your head teacher, manager, and any full time Japanese teachers at your school and they all work 3x as hard as you. |
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Glenski
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| Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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Tottori Dude wrote:
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misinformation.
In fact you make more then your head teacher, manager, and any full time Japanese teachers at your school and they all work 3x as hard as you. |
Yup, the above quote is certainly misinformation. |
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prof
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| Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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Language chain schools are good for recent graduates looking for an overseas experience or those who are older and looking for a 'second chance' from their lives in the US/Canada/UK/wherever.
But 250,000 is a ridiculously low salary in eyes.
It's actually quite disheartening that such an expensive and economically advanced nation like Japan pays these kinds of wages.
The only misinformation is by some here who have an agenda. For those wanting more information, I suggest they do a web search where they can find entire websites written by people telling the truth about teaching in the Japanese chains.
Good luck! |
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Tottori-Dood
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| Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Glenski wrote: |
Tottori Dude wrote:
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misinformation.
In fact you make more then your head teacher, manager, and any full time Japanese teachers at your school and they all work 3x as hard as you. |
Yup, the above quote is certainly misinformation. |
Hey Glenski, I've personally seen my Manager's pay stub and my head teachers. I make more then both of them. They work 3x harder then me. Next time you question do so in an educated fashion rather then making assumptions. They have to pay westerners more as no westerner in their right mind would come over for less... it's peanuts as it is. |
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Glenski
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| Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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Tottori-Dood,
What's this about not responding in an educated fashion? I thought you were stating that something was misinformation, and I agreed.
As for paychecks, have you considered the bonuses made by Japanese staff (including managers)? Those usually outweigh the monthly paycheck totals by foreign workers.
prof,
I see this is going to be a battle of people supplying useful supportable information and people like you who don't.
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| The only misinformation is by some here who have an agenda. For those wanting more information, I suggest they do a web search where they can find entire websites written by people telling the truth about teaching in the Japanese chains. |
If you have a claim to make about some specific misinformation or agendas, or if you want to point people towards those web sites "telling the truth", it would help your case a lot. |
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canuck
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| Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Tottori-Dood wrote: |
| Hey Glenski, I've personally seen my Manager's pay stub and my head teachers. I make more then both of them. They work 3x harder then me. Next time you question do so in an educated fashion rather then making assumptions. They have to pay westerners more as no westerner in their right mind would come over for less... it's peanuts as it is. |
Another newbie, but disguised as a "newbie-dood" this time. You're manager also also gets a bigger bonus than you do twice a year, not to mention a sliding salary scale that goes up with age and more family members.  |
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Gordon
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| Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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Tottori, what kind of school are you at?
I know in my case I get paid less than half of what J-profs get paid at my university (with similar age and qualifications) and my teaching load and classes are more. They do more office work and meetings, but hardly worth the extra millions. |
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furiousmilksheikali
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Location: In a coffee shop, splitting a 30,000 yen tab with Sekiguchi.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:45 am Post subject: |
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Some kind of misunderstanding has broken out on this thread. Glenski was clearly in agreement with Tottori about the prof spreading misinformation. Eikaiwa companies certainly don't provide great salaries but few people would find flipping burgers back home to pay as well and even fewer would find McDonalds employment to be as interesting.
Also, managers of certain eikaiwa companies get appallingly low salaries and often work from early morning until very late and night being hassled by their head-offices to sell new contracts to their students. They also get moved from branch to branch often and sometimes with very short notice and are forced on company trips where they have to undergo all kinds of degrading treatment. Managers in most eikaiwa companies get few benefits to make it worthwhile and most of them leave after only a few years. Part-time and even full-time teachers also get paid less than their foreign counterparts. In the first company I worked for the "part-time" teacher I worked with was always at the school before I arrived and always at school when I left. |
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Tottori-Dood
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| Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:24 am Post subject: |
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Tottori, what kind of school are you at?
I know in my case I get paid less than half of what J-profs get paid at my university (with similar age and qualifications) and my teaching load and classes are more. They do more office work and meetings, but hardly worth the extra millions. |
I'm at a big 4. I'm not going to argue - EFL teachers do make low wages. In my opinion if you are not making at least 5000 yen a month your job is not a career. I personally don't plan on making EFL into a career. J-teachers don't even need a uni education to land a job at a language school. Neither do forieginers to be honest - its for the purpose of immagration. That's why the saleries are low at language schools. It's equivilant to working as a secretary in N america in terms of educational standards.
The profs at uni's make lots of money because they are specialists in their field. That sucks that they make more money then you. The OP was refrencing language schools and what "prof" wrote was misinformation. If you are a Uni prof (not lecturer) with a PHD in EFL and you are getting paid less then I feel for you. Your job is a real job and you're getting the shaft.
Canuck talks about scaleable salery and bigger bonus? don't make me laugh. A scaleable salery in which the top end is 320,000 yen a month LMAO. To be blunt. There is no difference between making 320 or 250 a month... they are both crap. In the real world a bonus consists of somewhere to the effect of 30-50 thousand dollars and it's somthing you make for billing extraordanary hours and working hard. I may be a "dood" according to you but I'm a dood with plenty more ambition then being a languge school lifer/looser.
Teaching at a language school is a lot of fun and an experience. Don't come here if you are planing to make money that you can save. If you are a uni grad who graduated from a reasnable uni and from a somewhat practical program you can make a lot more money at home. However, you do make more money then the J-staff at your schools so don't complain when you've been drinking your brains out for the first few months and your paychecks seem tight - the J-staff won't like hearing it. |
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canuck
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| Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 3:25 am Post subject: |
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| Tottori-Dood wrote: |
| In my opinion if you are not making at least 5000 yen a month your job is not a career. |
Nice opinion. |
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furiousmilksheikali
Joined: 31 Jul 2006
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Location: In a coffee shop, splitting a 30,000 yen tab with Sekiguchi.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 3:29 am Post subject: |
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| Tottori-Dood wrote: |
I'm at a big 4. I'm not going to argue - EFL teachers do make low wages. In my opinion if you are not making at least 5000 yen a month your job is not a career. I personally don't plan on making EFL into a career. J-teachers don't even need a uni education to land a job at a language school. Neither do forieginers to be honest - its for the purpose of immagration. That's why the saleries are low at language schools. It's equivilant to working as a secretary in N america in terms of educational standards.
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I think we will all agree that 5000 yen a month is no career.
That's equivilant to a forieginer making 50 US dollars a month. That's a very low salery!
With your spelling I think you hit the jackpot teaching English! |
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canuck
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| Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 3:31 am Post subject: |
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Canuck talks about scaleable salery and bigger bonus? don't make me laugh. A scaleable salery in which the top end is 320,000 yen a month LMAO. To be blunt. There is no difference between making 320 or 250 a month... they are both crap. In the real world a bonus consists of somewhere to the effect of 30-50 thousand dollars and it's somthing you make for billing extraordanary hours and working hard. I may be a "dood" according to you but I'm a dood with plenty more ambition then being a languge school lifer/looser. |
Enjoy eikaiwa. You haven't a clue. Glad you're not a "looser"
The full-time management staff at eikaiwa do get a bonus twice a year. |
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Tottori-Dood
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| I wonder who the bigger moron is? The person who makes the obvious typo or the person who points it out to try to look smart? |
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Tottori-Dood
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| Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 4:00 am Post subject: |
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| furiousmilksheikali wrote: |
| Tottori-Dood wrote: |
I'm at a big 4. I'm not going to argue - EFL teachers do make low wages. In my opinion if you are not making at least 5000 yen a month your job is not a career. I personally don't plan on making EFL into a career. J-teachers don't even need a uni education to land a job at a language school. Neither do forieginers to be honest - its for the purpose of immagration. That's why the saleries are low at language schools. It's equivilant to working as a secretary in N america in terms of educational standards.
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I think we will all agree that 5000 yen a month is no career.
That's equivilant to a forieginer making 50 US dollars a month. That's a very low salery!
With your spelling I think you hit the jackpot teaching English! |
Also, I never said I was an English Teacher. I work at a language school. Unless you are a Teaching EFL at a uni in Japan (and even still) you should stop pretending you are too. I could honestly care less about my spellling. It's not a necessary componant of teaching conversational English. Hate to break the news but most business professionals could care less about their spelling - that's what microsoft word and office assitants are for.
Working at a language school is fun for a year or two, but if you've ever met any of the "teachers" who have stayed at a language school for over 3 years without being promoted into head office then you will understand how big of losers some people are that come to Japan to be "teachers"
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canuck
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| Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 4:00 am Post subject: |
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| Tottori-Dood wrote: |
| I wonder who the bigger moron is? The person who makes the obvious typo or the person who points it out to try to look smart? |
The person who makes the obvious typos/ the person that can't spell and uses typos as an excuse. Simple. |
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