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koba
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 Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 1:26 am Post subject: Switching to another job |
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Hi all,
I recently been given a strong possiblity in obtaining a job (non-teaching related) in Guangzhou or Shenzhen. I'm currently in Tianjin and employed at a school. The problem is, I'm stuck at this job in Tianjin with a 1 year contract that ends next summer. I really don't want to give up the job in GZ or SZ because it's an opportunity of a lifetime.
Can someone please tell me if it's OK to just drop the contract with the school and just start the job? I've heard something about a letter from the school that needs to be obtained before leaving. I've been told that you need this letter. I've also been told that under the new laws last year I really don't need that letter anymore. What is this letter? What is it for? Is it needed for some provinces and not others?
As far as I know, if I switch to this job I wouldn't be under the Ministry of Education anymore and I'd be under some other branch.
Has anyone had a similar experience or know about the laws regarding a switch? Thanks in advance for any info you can provide. |
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cj750
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| Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 1:33 am Post subject: |
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| If applying for a FEC..then a letter is likely needed..but if the new job entails working under a "Foreign Workers Permit" then the letter is not needed...check with you future employer and see what kind of working permission you will receive... |
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Steppenwolf
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If it is a "once-in-alifetime" opportunity you have every reason to go about accepting your new job in a legal and legitimate manner!
That is you will brave the music that will be directed at you from your current employer, pay the penalty and then get a release letter.
This you will need to get your new situation legally in Guangzhou.
You must be prepared to pay that penalty or else, forfeit your chance! Better still - try to secure for your present employer a suitable replacement candidate! |
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kev7161
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| I agree (I sure am agreeable today!) - - go to your current supervisor with penalty fee in hand, tell them about this new job, and tender your resignation. Surely you can give them a 2-3 week notice so they can assign other current FTs to your classes or look for another to replace you, yes? |
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WordUp
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Sorry, but I really feel this is a no brainer.. Anyone who is seeking advice to overcome a moral and legal imperitive because they found a patch of grass is greener elsewhere is a person who deserves to be abused.
Pay the breach fees illustrated in your contract and give adequate notice.. It would be a different tune if the school had found a teacher of its "Dreams" and abandoned its contract for the new "McDreamy"..
People complain about schools breaking contracts all the time and the horrorshow of the misunderstandings of Chinese mentality and reasoning, but this OP embellishes everything bad about what stirs most of the anger in this group about the Chinese breaking contracts..
You're not getting a pass from me..
PS> You need a letter of release to obtain the new residence permit..
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cj750
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| Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 4:19 am Post subject: |
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I've also been told that under the new laws last year I really don't need that letter anymore. What is this letter? What is it for? Is it needed for some provinces and not others?
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the letter is a simple affair ..stating that you have completed your obligation to your work unit....and it is still need ed in most places...
While you can go to your work unit..as it has been suggested..beware of the employer who will try and fu*k you for bailing on him..in that case the element of surprise may allow you to complete the change before allowing him the ability to strike..will he or wont he..only you know what the employer's reaction may be...but the reward for honesty in china is often obstacles place in the way of advancement....
As it it the business culture of China to not observe contracts...or payout penetlies for non completion..I see no reason to give up the advantage by informing your employer that your about to have an employment change... |
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WordUp
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| beware of the employer who will try and fu*k you for bailing on him |
Cj; while I agree with 99% of your posts.. and I've read your reasoning.. I see the OP as the one doing the F**ing here.. I don't think folks that should be educating the Chinese should lower themselves to the standard of their uneducated subordinates.. Had the school given cause or failed to honor the contract I would agree with your reasoning.. But with the OP having only suggested that he found a job of his dreams (which it will likely turn out we'll be reading soon that it really wasn't after he's been there a week or so.. )
I see no reason to cheat the school in this manner.. But again, had the school engaged in deceitful practice and failed to honor the agreement I'd say, Hell yeah.. chew and screw.. but that seems not to be the case here..
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cj750
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| While i would always offer the suggestion that the right way is the best way..I am not sure as to what conditions are contained in this persons employment..and not knowing ..I would advocate careful extraction from a work | |
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