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| Which is the best? |
| AEON |
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15% |
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| GOES |
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10% |
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| NOVA |
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10% |
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| ECC |
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10% |
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| Westgate |
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5% |
[ 1 ] |
| None of the above |
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47% |
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japan_01
Joined: 04 Mar 2006
Posts: 89
Location: Gifu Ken
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| Canuck, please expand on your "Mcenglish" |
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Like a Rolling Stone
Joined: 27 Mar 2006
Posts: 872
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| Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 7:33 am Post subject: |
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I voted for none of the above  |
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Ferfichkin
Joined: 07 Jul 2005
Posts: 140
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| Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 9:28 am Post subject: |
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I'm wondering who added that 'none of the above' option, I'm the OP and I didn't do it. The purpose of that poll was for me to get a feel for which of those 5 companies gets the most positive response from people, but now I'm learning nothing because everyone keeps voting for the 'none of the above' option. Now, obviously, that is probably an indication that these might not be the best schools to work for, and, maybe I should take your advice and avoid them alltogether, which, I very well may do, but, you never know, maybe I had a reason for limiting my poll to only those 5 choices, and by adding that 'none of the above option' you are changing the poll and reducing the odds of me learning from that poll what I was hoping to learn.
I guess I just wish you wouldn't have voted and typed a message for me and expressed your opinion that way, because now, people who may have voted in my poll for one of the choices that I created are opting for the 'none of the above' category because they think that it's part of the poll, which, as I've stated, it's not.
Who knows, maybe nobody added that option and it's done automatically when you create a poll on this website, or maybe it was added by one of the moderators, beats me how it got there, all I know is that it's messing with my poll and compromising its purpose.
I figure it's like they always say; don't mess with a man's car, his woman or his poll. Good advice I think.
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Like a Rolling Stone
Joined: 27 Mar 2006
Posts: 872
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| Ferfichkin wrote: |
Who knows, maybe nobody added that option and it's done automatically when you create a poll on this website, or maybe it was added by one of the moderators, beats me how it got there, all I know is that it's messing with my poll and compromising its purpose.
I figure it's like they always say; don't mess with a man's car, his woman or his poll. Good advice I think.
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I've made a few poles and there was no automatic "None of the above" on it. I added "other, please state" to mine I checked some polls on other forums and they don't have "none of the above" maybe you should kindly ask a moderator if he or she smoked your poll 
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prof
Joined: 25 Jun 2004
Posts: 741
Location: Boston/China
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Look at the salaries offered.
Most are pretty pathetic. |
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Glenski
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Posts: 12844
Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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| Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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prof wrote:
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Look at the salaries offered.
Most are pretty pathetic. |
You have recently written 2 disparaging remarks about eikaiwas on this forum and have substantiated neither of them.
Salaries for eikaiwas are roughly 250,000 yen/month.
If you count that as 25-30 classroom hours per week, that's
250,000 / 4 = 62,500 yen/week or 2083-2500 yen/hour.
With a rough value of 120 USD/yen, that's $17.36-20.83. Show me a Macdonalds person making that much.
If you count that monthly salary as 40 hours per week for being in the office (not always the case, y'know), that works out to 1562 yen/hour or $13.02 per hour. Again, flipping burgers is not paid that much.
Complain about making that much in Japan vs. the USA because of the economy differences? Sorry, but most people will spend in Japan about half of their salary on basic necessities, leaving 125,000 yen (US$1041) to play around with for the month. People who are spendthrifts burn practically all that, and people with student loans will not save as much as those who don't have them, but it's still a nice chunk of change to have.
If you are comparing eikaiwa salaries with those of anywhere else in Japan, say so, and we'll have to discuss length of time in Japan and/or credentials.
Whattya say, prof? |
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Quibby84
Joined: 10 Aug 2006
Posts: 643
Location: Japan
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| Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 2:40 am Post subject: |
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| Aside: Does an ALT always make less than an eikawa or is that only at certain schools? Private schools? |
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prof
Joined: 25 Jun 2004
Posts: 741
Location: Boston/China
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| Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 7:14 am Post subject: |
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| Glenski wrote: |
prof wrote:
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Look at the salaries offered.
Most are pretty pathetic. |
You have recently written 2 disparaging remarks about eikaiwas on this forum and have substantiated neither of them.
Salaries for eikaiwas are roughly 250,000 yen/month.
If you count that as 25-30 classroom hours per week, that's
250,000 / 4 = 62,500 yen/week or 2083-2500 yen/hour.
With a rough value of 120 USD/yen, that's $17.36-20.83. Show me a Macdonalds person making that much.
If you count that monthly salary as 40 hours per week for being in the office (not always the case, y'know), that works out to 1562 yen/hour or $13.02 per hour. Again, flipping burgers is not paid that much.
Complain about making that much in Japan vs. the USA because of the economy differences? Sorry, but most people will spend in Japan about half of their salary on basic necessities, leaving 125,000 yen (US$1041) to play around with for the month. People who are spendthrifts burn practically all that, and people with student loans will not save as much as those who don't have them, but it's still a nice chunk of change to have.
If you are comparing eikaiwa salaries with those of anywhere else in Japan, say so, and we'll have to discuss length of time in Japan and/or credentials.
Whattya say, prof? |
I say that I disagree with you. I also say your comments were in character.
Salaries have been stuck at the same level for over a decade.
The average Nova employee doesn't last a year.
We likely have different standards. I wouldn't recommend anyone traveling half way around the world to work in a chain school making a low salary and living in a small mediocre apartment. There's a reason why Nova and the like are seen as a joke by teachers who "know the scene" in Japan. Only you don't seem to be in on it.
Maybe it's easier for you to save money as you have Mrs. Glenski cutting coupons and driving around town looking for the best deals on fish and vegetables every week.
Whattya say, glen? |
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Miyazaki
Joined: 12 Jul 2005
Posts: 635
Location: My Father's Yacht
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| Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Glenski wrote: |
prof wrote:
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Look at the salaries offered.
Most are pretty pathetic. |
You have recently written 2 disparaging remarks about eikaiwas on this forum and have substantiated neither of them.
Salaries for eikaiwas are roughly 250,000 yen/month.
If you count that as 25-30 classroom hours per week, that's
250,000 / 4 = 62,500 yen/week or 2083-2500 yen/hour.
With a rough value of 120 USD/yen, that's $17.36-20.83. Show me a Macdonalds person making that much.
If you count that monthly salary as 40 hours per week for being in the office (not always the case, y'know), that works out to 1562 yen/hour or $13.02 per hour. Again, flipping burgers is not paid that much.
Complain about making that much in Japan vs. the USA because of the economy differences? Sorry, but most people will spend in Japan about half of their salary on basic necessities, leaving 125,000 yen (US$1041) to play around with for the month. People who are spendthrifts burn practically all that, and people with student loans will not save as much as those who don't have them, but it's still a nice chunk of change to have.
If you are comparing eikaiwa salaries with those of anywhere else in Japan, say so, and we'll have to discuss length of time in Japan and/or credentials.
Whattya say, prof? |
Glenski, you're as dumb now as you were 4 or 5 years ago on what the Tokyo EFL scene is about.
NOVA TEFL'ers make about Y 285, 000 - Y 380.000 per month.
Your talking out your aass again.
Listen, how does a guy who has spent nearly all of his time living in northern Hokkaido feel so qualified to comment on the TEFL scene in Tokyo?
Your statements are idiotic to say the least and reveal how ignorant you really are on the TEFL'ing conditions in Tokyo. |
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ghostrider
Joined: 30 May 2006
Posts: 147
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| Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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| prof wrote: |
| There's a reason why Nova and the like are seen as a joke by teachers who "know the scene" in Japan. Only you don't seem to be in on it. |
So, what is the scene in Japan? Better to find a job there fresh off a plane than come through an eikaiwa chain?
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| Your statements are idiotic to say the least and reveal how ignorant you really are on the TEFL'ing conditions in Tokyo. |
What are they like? Same as above question?
I've just applied for some of the big ones, that's why I'm curious. |
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Sour Grape
Joined: 10 May 2005
Posts: 241
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| Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:33 am Post subject: |
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| Miyazaki wrote: |
NOVA TEFL'ers make about Y 285, 000 - Y 380.000 per month.
Your talking out your aass again.
Listen, how does a guy who has spent nearly all of his time living in northern Hokkaido feel so qualified to comment on the TEFL scene in Tokyo?
Your statements are idiotic to say the least and reveal how ignorant you really are on the TEFL'ing conditions in Tokyo. |
I've never worked for Nova, so forgive my ignorance about working for them. A couple of questions.
You say Nova TEFL'ers make up to 380 000 yen a month. Does that refer to teachers only, or DOS and ADOS positions too? Where are you getting your figures from?
This is from http://www.teachinjapan.com/
Sponsored teachers will start on a salary of between 220,000 and 241,000 yen per month depending on location. After the initial probationary period, certain qualifications and types of working shift can increase your salary up to 302,000 yen.
Is the above out of date, or are Nova deliberately understating the salaries they pay (which would seem strange - I could understand them overstating them) or something else. I would like to know - if it's wrong, I will stop giving that page as a link for people asking about Nova. If it is correct, Glenski's figure doesn't seem too far out.
Thanks for your time. |
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seastarr
Joined: 22 Sep 2006
Posts: 76
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| When I worked for Nova last year I was making 220000 with all of the allowances in. I dont have any esl qualifications, just a bachelor degree. I worked a lot of overtime some months and that brought it up quite a bit. This was for a 32 lesson week. When I had been there a few months, they allowed everyone on a 32 lesson week to move up to a 37. That increased it by about 16000 if i remember correctly. The rate for overtime was 125% of regular pay. I lived in Kyushu so my rent was quite cheap (Still double what the rent was in the building for Japanese people...but cheap for Nova standards) and I didnt get an allowances for my location. This was more than enough to survive on, travel and have a good time with. Not really enough to save loads. I usually sent my overtime pay home. If you wanted to live really frugally, it was possible to save a bit. There was a girl that claimed that she sent over half her pay home every month, which would have left her around 40000 after rent and health insurance. She didnt have a phone or really take part in the social scene in my area. Everyone goes for different reasons I guess. |
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Sour Grape
Joined: 10 May 2005
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| Bumped, hoping that Miyazaki will respond. |
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