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Spyware and keylogging at EF
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wannaBguru



Joined: 07 Dec 2005
Posts: 110

PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yo chris........ what happened to u????? u came on the forum thumping your chest, glorifying yourself, taking exceptions, making demands, issuing challenges, and implying that others (me) are less than honest. i replied requesting additional information and offered u a suggestion. since then, nothing.

i would have thought 10 days was more that enough for a super DOS like u to reply.

what were your methods of investigation?????????

did u have an outside tech come in and sweep your computers without prior consent/knowledge/approval of management? what were the results? post the results, good or bad. of course i would understand if u couldnt do this because it would put your job in jeopardy.

u can talk the talk, but can u walk the walk? come on, u started this and only u can finish it. the challenge is in your court.
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Gregor



Joined: 06 Jan 2005
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Location: Jakarta, Indonesia

PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd actually be disappointed if Chris Patton responds to this idiocy that wanaBguru keeps posting. It might be tempting, but don't do it, Chris! Because Mr. Patton (Ms. Patton?) has already said what he'd do. Write to him in a PM and he'd get into it.
What do you want, wannaBguru? You haven't given him anything to investigate. Nothing at all. He asked for specifics (and asked for them in a private forum, but you could give US something other than just baiting and silliness. You could give specifics here. You don't HAVE any, by your own admission. So what the holly heck are you ON about??
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gugelhupf



Joined: 24 Jan 2004
Posts: 575
Location: Jabotabek

PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think most of us would like Mr Patton to show a bit of glasnost - as he seemed such a sensible chap.
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wannaBguru



Joined: 07 Dec 2005
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yo gregor.......... what are u on?????? drugs? i never said i didnt have specifics, as a matter of fact, i gave a specific example. i am not going to get into a silly arguement with u. i am not going to lower myself to your level. people can read your other postings and come to their own conclusion about who u are and what u are about. i agree my second posting was a bit of a dig on your friend chris, but i found his first posting to be a bit arrogant and insulting.

in all fairness to chris, maybe he was just a bit over-enthusiastic. he probably is new to the suara group and new to the position of DOS. he probably honestly felt that he could properly investigate things and protect people from retribution. he is probably finding out just how little power he has ........... something u already found out when u were a dos in china and had to falsify/omit information on your reports.

again, the only true solution to this is an unannounced sweep by an outside, independent tech. obviously this will never be allowed to happen. and chris certainly cant admit that on this forum, or he will lose points with his employer. he could lie and say the sweep turned up nothing, but i am glad he has chosen not to do this. i merely shared my experience and didnt attack anyone personally, at least not in my first 2 posts. i dont appreciate being attacked by u, that is not what this forum is for. it is ok that u want to defend friends or ef in general, but when your posts lose their objectivity and are based on faulty logic, they become a waste of time to read and respond to. i consider this matter closed. everyone can believe what they will about the validity of my claim.
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Gregor



Joined: 06 Jan 2005
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Location: Jakarta, Indonesia

PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I refered to "idiocy." As an example of such, I give this brief quote from wannaBguru:
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yo chris........ what happened to u????? u came on the forum thumping your chest, glorifying yourself, taking exceptions, making demands, issuing challenges, and implying that others (me) are less than honest. i replied requesting additional information and offered u a suggestion. since then, nothing.

That's idiocy. It responds to nothing previously posted on this thread. You invented these charges whole cloth, and then started attacking the guy.
By the way, I have no idea who Chris Patton IS, or even whether it's a man or woman.
And then was this interesting little tidbit:
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he is probably finding out just how little power he has ........... something u already found out when u were a dos in china and had to falsify/omit information on your reports.

Anyone whose ever taken a DoS job for the POWER found out on day 1 that they were going to be sorely disappointed. There isn't any power there at all, unless you are a particularly petty person.
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again, the only true solution to this is an unannounced sweep by an outside, independent tech.

And that's wrong, too. Who would trust it? Anyone I worked for would, in privacy, admit to doing this bad thing, or not, maybe agree to an independent tech, but it would be virtually impossible to have one done without the OWNER'S knowing about it, ad even THEN the teachers wouldn't believe it.
The only true solution is to stop using work computers for sensitive email. If you think the CM or DoS got a hold of your password, change it at an Internet cafe and stop using the school computer for email. THERE'S a solution.
One more thing:
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i consider this matter closed. everyone can believe what they will about the validity of my claim.

And yet, why do I fully expect you to answer this post?
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englishgibson



Joined: 09 Mar 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 5:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, Gregor...you've JUST refered to "idiocy" on other EF related threads Wink ...kinda makes me wonder how u've got used to the word Laughing

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yo gregor.......... what are u on?????? drugs?....
Laughing Laughing Laughing coincidentally Gregor's JUST claimed on other EF related threads that others are on booze and drugs when reading or posting... Laughing Laughing Laughing
Ol pal Gregor is on a mission or so it looks like Laughing ..the booze, drugs, idiocy mission Question Confused
Gregor, r ya really "bored" as you've claimed on Chinese forums? Confused
Or, r ya pasting those "WORDS" and posting'em around forums? Laughing


Now, the EF English First organization has got its "McPlans" Wink ..EF DOSs are just the "EF brown ponies" ...EF Center Managers that are employeed by the franchisees or their "groups" are often paid less than the DOSs, but that's not what I want to say...EF CMs follow their employers path of "secrecy, deceive, their ethics, and dishonesty" as well as they follow the EF Headless Office's "McPlans"...every office in EF has got a spy of a sort Wink
EF computers and email Smile ...don't use it, if you don't have to Wink ...and do not use the EF email @englishfirst.com since that one is "controled" by EF IT personal Wink
By the way, not every email can be controled..be realistic guys...there are ways to follow up Wink ...speaking with IT personal is always fun Smile

Peace to booze, drugs, brownies and spies
and
cheers and beers to the hard working FTs around the world Very Happy

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Check out the Thai EF thread
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beefer



Joined: 10 Feb 2006
Posts: 238
Location: java

PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

when used in moderation, the "emoticons" can be an effective way of displaying your felings regarding what you have written.
however, when used in excess they are just really, really, really annoying
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beefer



Joined: 10 Feb 2006
Posts: 238
Location: java

PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

in my previous post, please replace the word "felings" with "feelings". Embarassed

...yeah......thats better
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englishgibson



Joined: 09 Mar 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 9:23 am    Post subject: Spyware and keylogging at EF Reply with quote

Smile
no beef with that above Wink
i'll try to keep it down Cool

Yes, you are right.

Peace to ya Beefer
and
cheers and beers
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