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Is teaching English in Japan a cop out?
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shuize



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 1:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In some ways I do think teaching English can be a cop out. But that's just my personal opinion.

As others have noted, a year overseas is not likely to hurt you. However, there is a risk and it increases every year you stay without adding any skills to your resume beyond "English teacher."
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thrifty



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

seastarr wrote:
unique experiences that they haven't had firsthand.

What is unique about TEFLing-hundreds of thousands have done it?

Whats one more year?


Another wasted year and another nail in the coffin as far as having a career and a decent life.
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Like a Rolling Stone



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thrifty wrote:
seastarr wrote:
unique experiences that they haven't had firsthand.

What is unique about TEFLing-hundreds of thousands have done it?

Whats one more year?


Another wasted year and another nail in the coffin as far as having a career and a decent life.


What do you do Thrifty? Confused

How long have you done it? Confused
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thrifty



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I TEFL.

Thirteen years. Embarassed
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SeasonedVet



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

seastarr wrote:
Quote:
I think that my experiences being a minority, when I have always been a member of the majority help me be a more well rounded person.


Good for you seastarr.
Alot more people in the world could do with some o' that.[/quote]
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prof



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of the biggest limitations of Japan is what you are allowed to do in the classroom.

Are you allowed to be creative, to 'teach!'

Or are you simply there to follow Their system and/or do Their marketing?
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seastarr



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you look at my original post, I didn't make any comment about TEFL. I dont know why anyone would have quoted me as saying that.
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luckyloser700



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

seastarr wrote:
If you look at my original post, I didn't make any comment about TEFL. I dont know why anyone would have quoted me as saying that.


Take a look at some of thrifty's other posts and you'll know why you've been misquoted.
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Henry_Cowell



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've given thrifty private tutoring in using the quote function. He never learned it. He refuses to proofread his posts and fix his mistakes. He'll probably complain that he was too drunk to care.
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thrifty



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are a crap teacher, Henry Cowell.
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Henry_Cowell



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still have the PM in which I gave you step-by-step instructions. You did fine just after the tutoring. Then you slipped -- as you have so many times in your life. Cool
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thrifty



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What do you expect from a mere TEFLer?
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Crab



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're going to get lots of different opinions on this, based on personal experiences.

Here is my prescription for ensuring that your TEFL career, regardless of how long you do it, is not a dead end.

1. As some other posters have pointed out, add to your experiences and skills beyond English language teaching. I worked at the university-level and for me, this included published research, textbook writing, work with my university's student recruitment office, and work identifying and building study abroad relationships for students.

You could just as easily substitute Japanese study, website design, writing, or expertise in Japanese lacquer for the stuff I did. The important thing is that you pick up demonstrable skills/experience/expertise in areas beyond TEFL and apply them to a field in which you'd be happy working.

2. Plan ahead as much as possible. One positive thing about working under contract is you know exactly when your current job is finished.

I made the decision to go home 15 months before I left. I spent those 15 months laying the groundwork for a job in Canada. This included the obvious: determining where I wanted to live, what job I wanted to do, researching the possibilities, updating my resume, etc. In the end, I decided that I wanted to work for a university in a Canada in a TEFL-related or international student recruitment role.

I was ultimately successful in getting a job as director of a School of English at a small Canadian university. Beyond my related experience, networking was the key. My duties in organizing study abroad opportunities at my Japanese university had provided me with contacts in the field in which I wanted to work. Contacts who had expereience working with me and knew what they could expect.

I approached the ones for whom I was interested in working 6 months before I left Japan and was fortunate to be told by one of them that an opportunity was available. I completed the hiring process from Japan and had no lay off between jobs.

3. Work hard. Sounds silly, but your ability to show that you are willing to work and be productive is especially important when you are working in a foreign culture in a field with a reputation for being a "junket" to non-TEFLers. It's also important because checking Japanese references is difficult for employers back home.

It's one thing to work hard, but it's another thing to show it. To address this, I put together a portfolio of my time in Japan that I brought to interview. It included all of my academic articles, my degrees, my textbook, student evaluations, teaching awards, a very nice thank you letter from the President of my Japanese university, official abstracts of presentations I'd given at JALT and elsewhere, letters of reference and a few other bits and pieces that I can't recall at the moment.

I also used this portfolio (updated of course) to land my current job at another university.

4. Define goals and objectives. Don't drift. Think about your career post-Japan and how you can get there.

I feel bad for the people who end up bitter and saying things like this:

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Another wasted year and another nail in the coffin as far as having a career and a decent life.


It doesn't have to be that way. And also, there are people who feel this way in every line of work, so I hope the OP doesn't think that all TEFLers end up like this.

Altogether I spent 6 years doing TEFL in Japan with 2 years in between doing ESL work in Canada while completing my MA. I don't regret any of it. I had a successful TEFL career which provided me with skills and experience to get my current job, which I adore. Although no longer directly involved in the TEFL field, I wouldn't have my current job without my experiences in Japan. I also get to visit Japan from time to time as part of my job. I'm in Tokyo next week and can't wait to get my fill of donburi, sashimi and atsukan!

So, there's my story. Take it for what it is. It's just one guy's opinion, but it worked for me.

Good luck!
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joesnoopy16



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My advice to the younger generation: If you really want to do something, go ahead and do it. The longer you wait and the more settled you become in a career, the more difficult it becomes to try things outside of that career environment, i.e. getting time off, finances, family obligations, etc. As for hurting your future writing/journalism career: Are you crazy? Anything you can do to broaden your experience and outlook will be of benefit. The most interesting people are those with a variety of experiences. As for not being commited to teaching. You may want to think about that one. If you don't give your students 100% you are being unfair to them. Teaching just for the experience cheats them in order to satisfy your own wants. But, if you can give them an honest effort, even for just a year, then I would say go for it.
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Like a Rolling Stone



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cafeblue on another thread wrote:
Don't take offence at the posters who give a less than rosy view of career prospects after teaching English in Japan. It IS a reality for more people than you think.

I was fine after leaving Japan - yes, I had the security of a husband with a good career and income if I hadn't been able to find work. So there wasn't the financial pressure for me to get a job post Japan and get it fast, unlike friends of mine especially women friends.

I am a qualified teacher from the UK so post-Japan I had a good assortment of options. Being a qualified teacher allows you to sidestep assorted TEFL qualifications, which are becoming more and more a demand for people who leave Japan and try to find a job in the same field if there having no luck in other lines of work.

BUT I can give you not a few examples of friends I had in Japan who have had a very rough ride in their home countries - including the US, Australia and New Zealand. The ones from the US and Australia had the roughest time especially if they'd been gone for 4 years or more.

These were educated people who didn't have specific teaching qualifications and couldn't work in those fields, and they were left out of the running for jobs they could have applied their skills and knowledge to. Why? There's a distinct lack of appreciation in the US for the Japan experience - it's seen generally as a kind of interim thing according to my friends and definitely not something you can use if you're in your 30s plus to make a career post Japan.

As for my Auzzie friends - as they said, Australia's low population hits many opportunities for six.Most could not find work for a long time and it was very stressful for them. Universities and colleges in Australia have much fewer opportunites than those in the Uk for example for teaching. They have entrenched staff and the turnover is low.

Among my friends were fluent speakers of Japanese who couldn't find even casual work in Sydney, Melbourne and Adelaide at unis or colleges - apparently many of those jobs often are given internally. Better ones require a Phd, MA or BA in TEFL - no ifs, no buts.

I was also surprised to learn how many positions in Australia are advertised only because they have to be by law. Therefore Auzzie friends found out that the interviews were a farce because somebody was already in the job. Their frustration was centred around the fact they couldn't get teaching jobs and the non education sectors just wouldn't employ them.

I have a friend who has a great working record in Japan, working for elite companies, universities and senmon gakko. Back in Australia she hasn't had an interview since she went back - 5 months ago.

I suppose the solution for these people is to go back to university but most posters here are assuming they have the money to do so. More people than you think don't have the money to return to university, especially in the US.

Working in Japan can leave some people relatively badly off in their 30s and older whereas if their home country is cheap by comparison they would have saved much, much more money working for the same amount of time. My Aussie friends said they were worse off in Japan the longer they stayed and they also missed out on superannuation - their form of the pension.

Japan can be a financial and career dead-end for some people.


Just hepling the lady out Wink
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