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johncanada24
Joined: 19 Oct 2006
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 Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 1:57 pm Post subject: My Whole Pint |
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I don't think i'm explaining this clear enough and for that I apologize because my situation is so confusing.
Here it is in logical order
Ultimately this whole thing is dependant on available funds
1. My goal is to find the cheapest way to teach english in Japan
2. If the cheap way is not an alternative then the next thing in priority is to teach english in a another country close to Japan ( Korea,Tawain ) CHEAP.
3. After working there and getting teaching experience I will then transfer over to Japan.
I simply do not want to wait another 6 months to save up $5000 for startup costs to go to Japan so I prefer to get started right away and teach elsewhere while getting experience . i think i would benefit more going this route. What do you think? |
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Deicide
Joined: 29 Jul 2006
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Location: Caput Imperii Americani
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| Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 1:58 pm Post subject: Re: My Whole Pint |
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| johncanada24 wrote: |
I don't think i'm explaining this clear enough and for that I apologize because my situation is so confusing.
Here it is in logical order
Ultimately this whole thing is dependant on available funds
1. My goal is to find the cheapest way to teach english in Japan
2. If the cheap way is not an alternative then the next thing in priority is to teach english in a another country close to Japan ( Korea,Tawain ) CHEAP.
3. After working there and getting teaching experience I will then transfer over to Japan.
I simply do not want to wait another 6 months to save up $5000 for startup costs to go to Japan so I prefer to get started right away and teach elsewhere while getting experience . i think i would benefit more going this route. What do you think? |
My question is: how much cash do you have access to? |
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johncanada24
Joined: 19 Oct 2006
Posts: 119
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 2:05 pm Post subject: Re: My Whole Pint |
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| Deicide wrote: |
| johncanada24 wrote: |
I don't think i'm explaining this clear enough and for that I apologize because my situation is so confusing.
Here it is in logical order
Ultimately this whole thing is dependant on available funds
1. My goal is to find the cheapest way to teach english in Japan
2. If the cheap way is not an alternative then the next thing in priority is to teach english in a another country close to Japan ( Korea,Tawain ) CHEAP.
3. After working there and getting teaching experience I will then transfer over to Japan.
I simply do not want to wait another 6 months to save up $5000 for startup costs to go to Japan so I prefer to get started right away and teach elsewhere while getting experience . i think i would benefit more going this route. What do you think? |
My question is: how much cash do you have access to? |
I currently have $1000 cash saved so far thats not including air fare tickets purchased. My predicitons are. If I continue this route without any financial support from schools then i won't be leaving to go anywhere until march or april. |
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Deicide
Joined: 29 Jul 2006
Posts: 1005
Location: Caput Imperii Americani
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| Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 2:21 pm Post subject: Re: My Whole Pint |
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| johncanada24 wrote: |
| Deicide wrote: |
| johncanada24 wrote: |
I don't think i'm explaining this clear enough and for that I apologize because my situation is so confusing.
Here it is in logical order
Ultimately this whole thing is dependant on available funds
1. My goal is to find the cheapest way to teach english in Japan
2. If the cheap way is not an alternative then the next thing in priority is to teach english in a another country close to Japan ( Korea,Tawain ) CHEAP.
3. After working there and getting teaching experience I will then transfer over to Japan.
I simply do not want to wait another 6 months to save up $5000 for startup costs to go to Japan so I prefer to get started right away and teach elsewhere while getting experience . i think i would benefit more going this route. What do you think? |
My question is: how much cash do you have access to? |
I currently have $1000 cash saved so far thats not including air fare tickets purchased. My predicitons are. If I continue this route without any financial support from schools then i won't be leaving to go anywhere until march or april. |
That is what I meant...Korea does pay for your flight and flat...but ultimately it is up to you... |
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canuck
Joined: 11 May 2003
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Location: Japan
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| Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 2:23 pm Post subject: Re: My Whole Pint |
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| johncanada24 wrote: |
I don't think i'm explaining this clear enough and for that I apologize because my situation is so confusing.
Here it is in logical order
Ultimately this whole thing is dependant on available funds
1. My goal is to find the cheapest way to teach english in Japan
2. If the cheap way is not an alternative then the next thing in priority is to teach english in a another country close to Japan ( Korea,Tawain ) CHEAP.
3. After working there and getting teaching experience I will then transfer over to Japan.
I simply do not want to wait another 6 months to save up $5000 for startup costs to go to Japan so I prefer to get started right away and teach elsewhere while getting experience . i think i would benefit more going this route. What do you think? |
Basically, you'll need a little more money. You need a plane ticket and money to last you a little while. If you arrange a job working at some small eikaiwa in the countryside where they have trouble finding teachers (which often is the case) they might have an apartment and a job waiting. You work for a month and get paid the next month. They might offer you a small loan too. Your first month you'll have to stay home and get used to a new country without much money.
You're also going to have to borrow some money from someone to show the Japanese consulate to approve your working holiday visa. Once you have your visa on your passport, you can return the money to the person who lent you the money.
Deicide can't even get a job in Japan, and he wants to work here more than South Korea. Don't listen to a word he says. He will probably start offering advice on making your resume more like his, for teaching English in Japan. 
| Deicide, from an earlier thread in the Japan forum. wrote: |
Qualifications
Languages:
Icelandic (basic knowledge),
Good Latin (reading ability), Basic Ancient Greek (reading ability)
Computer Skills: Microsoft Office, E-mail
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You want to take advice from this guy? Didn't think so. |
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Deicide
Joined: 29 Jul 2006
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Location: Caput Imperii Americani
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| Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 2:37 pm Post subject: Re: My Whole Pint |
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| canuck wrote: |
| johncanada24 wrote: |
I don't think i'm explaining this clear enough and for that I apologize because my situation is so confusing.
Here it is in logical order
Ultimately this whole thing is dependant on available funds
1. My goal is to find the cheapest way to teach english in Japan
2. If the cheap way is not an alternative then the next thing in priority is to teach english in a another country close to Japan ( Korea,Tawain ) CHEAP.
3. After working there and getting teaching experience I will then transfer over to Japan.
I simply do not want to wait another 6 months to save up $5000 for startup costs to go to Japan so I prefer to get started right away and teach elsewhere while getting experience . i think i would benefit more going this route. What do you think? |
Basically, you'll need a little more money. You need a plane ticket and money to last you a little while. If you arrange a job working at some small eikaiwa in the countryside where they have trouble finding teachers (which often is the case) they might have an apartment and a job waiting. You work for a month and get paid the next month. They might offer you a small loan too. Your first month you'll have to stay home and get used to a new country without much money.
You're also going to have to borrow some money from someone to show the Japanese consulate to approve your working holiday visa. Once you have your visa on your passport, you can return the money to the person who lent you the money.
Deicide can't even get a job in Japan, and he wants to work here more than South Korea. Don't listen to a word he says. He will probably start offering advice on making your resume more like his, for teaching English in Japan.
| Deicide, from an earlier thread in the Japan forum. wrote: |
Qualifications
Languages:
Icelandic (basic knowledge),
Good Latin (reading ability), Basic Ancient Greek (reading ability)
Computer Skills: Microsoft Office, E-mail
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etc.
You want to take advice from this guy? Didn't think so. |
You cut out my French and German there and did not show my previous teaching experience, I haven't even tried to get a job in Japan all mighty Can-Arschloch-uk...my contract in Korea is not over until July of next year. That's right, no CVs sent out, no e-mails, no attempts, nothing. All my posting has been in anticipation of next year, getting information, nothing more. You are a fool for making silly assumptions like 'Deicide can't even get a job in Japan', I haven't tried so you are all the more the idiot to claiming I have done. I really have dislike for many of my fellow North Americans, of which I suspect Can-Arschloch-uk you are one. A bientot grand connard... |
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johncanada24
Joined: 19 Oct 2006
Posts: 119
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 2:49 pm Post subject: Re: My Whole Pint |
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| canuck wrote: |
| johncanada24 wrote: |
I don't think i'm explaining this clear enough and for that I apologize because my situation is so confusing.
Here it is in logical order
Ultimately this whole thing is dependant on available funds
1. My goal is to find the cheapest way to teach english in Japan
2. If the cheap way is not an alternative then the next thing in priority is to teach english in a another country close to Japan ( Korea,Tawain ) CHEAP.
3. After working there and getting teaching experience I will then transfer over to Japan.
I simply do not want to wait another 6 months to save up $5000 for startup costs to go to Japan so I prefer to get started right away and teach elsewhere while getting experience . i think i would benefit more going this route. What do you think? |
Basically, you'll need a little more money. You need a plane ticket and money to last you a little while. If you arrange a job working at some small eikaiwa in the countryside where they have trouble finding teachers (which often is the case) they might have an apartment and a job waiting. You work for a month and get paid the next month. They might offer you a small loan too. Your first month you'll have to stay home and get used to a new country without much money.
You're also going to have to borrow some money from someone to show the Japanese consulate to approve your working holiday visa. Once you have your visa on your passport, you can return the money to the person who lent you the money.
Deicide can't even get a job in Japan, and he wants to work here more than South Korea. Don't listen to a word he says. He will probably start offering advice on making your resume more like his, for teaching English in Japan.
| Deicide, from an earlier thread in the Japan forum. wrote: |
Qualifications
Languages:
Icelandic (basic knowledge),
Good Latin (reading ability), Basic Ancient Greek (reading ability)
Computer Skills: Microsoft Office, E-mail
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etc.
You want to take advice from this guy? Didn't think so. |
What you said actually makes some sense here! Just so to make sure i understand you correctly the procredure for doing this would be.
1. Apply for a job in Japan and confirm an agreement
2. Purchase a plane ticket ( two way ? not sure)
3. Borrow money from a lender and apply for the visa and then give it back to the lender ( I beleive to aquire a working holiday visa you need a 2 way plane ticket. Personally i wish there was someway i can muddle through with a one way ticket)
4. Make sure you have a little cash to live on for a bit ($1000) I can stretch out stuff if i have to.
5. Arrive at a destination where your job awaits and scrounge for the next month. My plan is to perhaps provide lessons to get extra cash to make it to my first month pay check?
Does this sounds good? Was that what you were saying?
Thanks in advance for your assistance.  |
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canuck
Joined: 11 May 2003
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Location: Japan
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| Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 2:59 pm Post subject: Re: My Whole Pint |
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| johncanada24 wrote: |
What you said actually makes some sense here! Just so to make sure i understand you correctly the procredure for doing this would be.
1. Apply for a job in Japan and confirm an agreement
2. Purchase a plane ticket ( two way ? not sure)
3. Borrow money from a lender and apply for the visa and then give it back to the lender ( I beleive to aquire a working holiday visa you need a 2 way plane ticket. Personally i wish there was someway i can muddle through with a one way ticket)
4. Make sure you have a little cash to live on for a bit ($1000) I can stretch out stuff if i have to.
5. Arrive at a destination where your job awaits and scrounge for the next month. My plan is to perhaps provide lessons to get extra cash to make it to my first month pay check?
Does this sounds good? Was that what you were saying?
Thanks in advance for your assistance. |
You should do this:
1. Go to the Japanese consulate, get the forms for a working holiday visa. Get lots of the little stuff done. For example, a passport if you don't have one, a medical check and documentation and the other stuff as specified on the form.
2. Apply for a job in Japan and confirm an agreement.
3. Go the working holiday office with everything they need saying you want to go to Japan (don't mention a job lined up)
4. Purchase a plane ticket (it must be a return ticket) and show sufficient funds.
5. Arrive at a destination where your job awaits and scrounge for the next month.
You're not going to be doing any extra teaching at first. You'll be a newbie. You won't really have a clue. You're going to have to learn the new job, adjust to a new country and find out how to stretch your money as far as possible. Hopefully your company can offer you a loan in the beginning. |
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canuck
Joined: 11 May 2003
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Location: Japan
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| Deicide wrote: |
| I haven't tried |
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?t=44545
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| I managed to make contact with ECC as well as the other Big Four and there seems to be a big problem: they only recruit and interview out of country, i.e. UK, USA, Canada, etc. Flying all the way out (and consequently wasting money) to one of those countries is a no go for me. Do I still have any possibilities of finding a decent position in Japan? How should I go about it, now that it seems that the Big 4 are ruled out? Any advice? I have heard stories of people finding work whilst looking in country. My contract is up come next July...what is my Do? |
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Deicide
Joined: 29 Jul 2006
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Location: Caput Imperii Americani
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| Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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| canuck wrote: |
| Deicide wrote: |
| I haven't tried |
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?t=44545
| Deicide wrote: |
| I managed to make contact with ECC as well as the other Big Four and there seems to be a big problem: they only recruit and interview out of country, i.e. UK, USA, Canada, etc. Flying all the way out (and consequently wasting money) to one of those countries is a no go for me. Do I still have any possibilities of finding a decent position in Japan? How should I go about it, now that it seems that the Big 4 are ruled out? Any advice? I have heard stories of people finding work whilst looking in country. My contract is up come next July...what is my Do? |
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Herr Arschloch/Mr. Connard,
Yes...I sent enquires for information...nothing more than that...I did not apply for anything, which means your silly claims have no foundation in reality. Tell me, were you born such an unpleasant human being or were you born as such? Oh yes minimise your avatar lest you be reported... |
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canuck
Joined: 11 May 2003
Posts: 1921
Location: Japan
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| Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Deicide wrote: |
| canuck wrote: |
| Deicide wrote: |
| I haven't tried |
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?t=44545
| Deicide wrote: |
| I managed to make contact with ECC as well as the other Big Four and there seems to be a big problem: they only recruit and interview out of country, i.e. UK, USA, Canada, etc. Flying all the way out (and consequently wasting money) to one of those countries is a no go for me. Do I still have any possibilities of finding a decent position in Japan? How should I go about it, now that it seems that the Big 4 are ruled out? Any advice? I have heard stories of people finding work whilst looking in country. My contract is up come next July...what is my Do? |
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Herr Arschloch/Mr. Connard,
Yes...I sent enquires for information...nothing more than that...I did not apply for anything, which means your silly claims have no foundation in reality. Tell me, were you born such an unpleasant human being or were you born as such? Oh yes minimise your avatar lest you be reported... |
Please state all questions in Icelandic or Latin. |
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johncanada24
Joined: 19 Oct 2006
Posts: 119
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 3:34 pm Post subject: Re: My Whole Point |
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| canuck wrote: |
| johncanada24 wrote: |
What you said actually makes some sense here! Just so to make sure i understand you correctly the procredure for doing this would be.
1. Apply for a job in Japan and confirm an agreement
2. Purchase a plane ticket ( two way ? not sure)
3. Borrow money from a lender and apply for the visa and then give it back to the lender ( I beleive to aquire a working holiday visa you need a 2 way plane ticket. Personally i wish there was someway i can muddle through with a one way ticket)
4. Make sure you have a little cash to live on for a bit ($1000) I can stretch out stuff if i have to.
5. Arrive at a destination where your job awaits and scrounge for the next month. My plan is to perhaps provide lessons to get extra cash to make it to my first month pay check?
Does this sounds good? Was that what you were saying?
Thanks in advance for your assistance. |
You should do this:
1. Go to the Japanese consulate, get the forms for a working holiday visa. Get lots of the little stuff done. For example, a passport if you don't have one, a medical check and documentation and the other stuff as specified on the form.
2. Apply for a job in Japan and confirm an agreement.
3. Go the working holiday office with everything they need saying you want to go to Japan (don't mention a job lined up)
4. Purchase a plane ticket (it must be a return ticket) and show sufficient funds.
5. Arrive at a destination where your job awaits and scrounge for the next month.
You're not going to be doing any extra teaching at first. You'll be a newbie. You won't really have a clue. You're going to have to learn the new job, adjust to a new country and find out how to stretch your money as far as possible. Hopefully your company can offer you a loan in the beginning. |
Wow that actually helped! Thanks alot
Going directly to Japan doesn't seem so bad after all and as a matter of fact I prefer the country over the city anyways. It won't hurt to be surrounded by the old traditional japanese culture which is probably more likely to be out in the country. ( correct me if im wrong)
Step one is actually in process right now. I have a valid passport, Dental is checked, health and application visa is in the process.
so right now i should be concentrating on finding a job. then i can by my ticket and show my funds. Thanks alot that helps ! |
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Deicide
Joined: 29 Jul 2006
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Location: Caput Imperii Americani
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| Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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| canuck wrote: |
| Deicide wrote: |
| canuck wrote: |
| Deicide wrote: |
| I haven't tried |
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?t=44545
| Deicide wrote: |
| I managed to make contact with ECC as well as the other Big Four and there seems to be a big problem: they only recruit and interview out of country, i.e. UK, USA, Canada, etc. Flying all the way out (and consequently wasting money) to one of those countries is a no go for me. Do I still have any possibilities of finding a decent position in Japan? How should I go about it, now that it seems that the Big 4 are ruled out? Any advice? I have heard stories of people finding work whilst looking in country. My contract is up come next July...what is my Do? |
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Herr Arschloch/Mr. Connard,
Yes...I sent enquires for information...nothing more than that...I did not apply for anything, which means your silly claims have no foundation in reality. Tell me, were you born such an unpleasant human being or were you born as such? Oh yes minimise your avatar lest you be reported... |
Please state all questions in Icelandic or Latin. |
Tam homo miser es non tibi me respondare.... |
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canuck
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Location: Japan
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Thank you. To that I respond:
CAPUT 1
Per idem tempus annorum novem, ab undevicensimo anno aetatis meae usque ad duodetricensimum, seducebamur et seducebamus, falsi atque fallentes in variis cupiditatibus, et palam per doctrinas, quas liberales vocant, occulte autem falso nomine religionis, hic superbi, ibi superstitiosi, ubique vani: hac popularis gloriae sectantes inanitatem, usque ad theatricos plausus, et contentiosa carmina, et agonem coronarum faenearum, et spectaculorum nugas, et intemperantiam libidinum; illac autem purgari nos ab istis sordibus expetentes, *beep* eis, qui appellarentur electi et sancti, afferremus escas, de quibus nobis in officina aqualiculi sui fabricarent angelos et deos, per quos liberaremur. et sectabar ista atque faciebam *beep* amicis meis, per me ac mecum deceptis. inrideant me arrogantes, et nondum salubriter prostrati et elisi a te, deus meus, et ego tamen confitear tibi dedecora mea in laude tua. sine me, obsecro, et da mihi circuire praesenti memoria praeteritos circuitus erroris mei, et immolare tibi hostiam iubilationis. quid enim sum ego mihi sine te nisi dux in praeceps? aut quid sum, *beep* mihi bene est, nisi sugens lac tuum aut fruens te, cibo qui non corrumpitur? et quis homo est quilibet homo, *beep* sit homo? sed inrideant nos fortes et potentes, nos autem infirmi et inopes confiteamur tibi.
CAPUT 2
Docebam in illis annis artem rhetoricam, et victoriosam loquacitatem victus cupiditate vendebam. malebam tamen, domine, tu scis, bonos habere discipulos, sicut appellantur boni, et eos sine dolo docebam dolos, non quibus contra caput innocentis, agerent, sed aliquando pro capite nocentis. et, deus, vidisti de longinquo lapsantem in lubrico, et in multo fumo scintillantem fidem meam, quam exhibebam in illo magisterio diligentibus vanitatem et quaerentibus mendacium, socius eorum. in illis annis unam habebam, non eo quod legitimum vocatur coniugio cognitam, sed quam indagaverat vagus ardor inops prudentiae, sed unam tamen, ei quoque servans tori fidem; in qua sane experirer exemplo meo, quid distaret inter coniugalis placiti modum, quod foederatum esset generandi gratia, et pactum libidinosi amoris, ubi proles etiam contra votum nascitur, quamvis iam nata cogat se diligi. Recolo etiam, *beep* mihi theatrici carminis certamen inire placuisset, mandasse mihi nescio quem haruspicem, quid ei dare vellem mercedis, ut vincerem, me autem foeda illa sacramenta detestatum et abominatum respondisse, nec si corona illa ita esset inmortaliter aurea, muscam pro victoria mea necari sinere. necaturus enim erat ille in sacrificiis suis animantia, et illis honoribus invitaturus mihi suffragatura daemonia videbatur. sed hoc quoque malum non ex tua castitate repudiavi, deus cordis mei. non enim amare te noveram, qui nisi fulgores corporeos cogitare non noveram. talibus enim figmentis suspirans anima nonne fornicatur abs te, et fidit in falsis, et pascit ventos? sed videlicet sacrificari pro me nollem daemonibus, quibus me illa superstitione ipse sacrificabam. quid est enim aliud ventos pascere quam ipsos pascere, hoc est errando eis esse voluptati atque derisui?
CAPUT 3
Itaque illos planos, quos mathematicos vocant, plane consulere non desistebam, quod quasi nullum eis esset sacrificium, et nullae preces ad aliquem spiritum ob divinationem dirigerentur. quod tamen Christiana et vera pietas consequenter repellit et damnat. bonum est enim confiteri tibi, domine, et dicere: Miserere mei, cura animam meam, quoniam peccavi tibi; neque ad licentiam peccandi abuti indulgentia tua, sed meminisse dominicae vocis: Ecce sanus factus es; iam noli peccare, ne quid tibi deterius contingat. quam totam illi salubritatem interficere conantur, *beep* dicunt: de caelo tibi est inevitabilis causa peccandi et Venus hoc fecit aut Saturnus aut Mars, scilicet ut homo sine culpa sit, caro et sanguis et super a putredo, culpandus sit autem caeli ac siderum creator et ordinator. et quis est hic nisi deus noster, suavitas et origo iustitiae, qui reddes unicuique secundum opera eius et cor contritum et humiliatum non spernis? Erat eo tempore vir sagax, medicinae artis peritissimus atque in ea nobilissimus, qui proconsul manu sua coronam illam agonisticam inposuerat non sano capiti meo, sed non ut medicus. nam illius morbi tu sanator, qui resistis superbis, humilibus autem das gratiam. numquid tamen etiam per illum senem defuisti mihi, aut destitisti mederi animae meae? quia enim factus ei eram familiarior, et eius sermonibus -- erant enim sine verborum cultu vivacitate sententiarum iucundi et graves -- adsiduus et fixus inhaerebam: ubi cognovit et ex conloquio meo libris genethliacorum esse me deditum, benigne ac paterne monuit, ut eos abicerem, neque curam et operam rebus utilibus necessariam illi vanitati frustra inpenderem; dicens ita se illa didicisse, ut eam professionem primis annis aetatis suae deferre voluisset, qua vitam degeret, et si Hippocraten intellexisset, et illas utique litteras potuisse intellegere: et tamen non ob aliam causam se postea illis relictis medicinam adsecutum, nisi eas falsissimas conperisset, et nollet vir gravis decipiendis hominibus victum quaerere. at tu inquit quo te in hominibus sustentas, rhetoricam tenes, hanc autem fallaciam libero studio, non necessitate rei familiaris sectaris. quo magis mihi te oportet de illa credere, qui eam tam perfecte discere elaboravi, quam ex ea sola vivere volui. a quo ego *beep* quaesissem, quae causa ergo faceret, ut multa inde vera pronuntiarentur, respondit ille, ut potuit, vim sortis hoc facere, in rerum natura usquequaque diffusam. si enim de paginis poetae cuiuspiam, longe aliud canentis atque intendentis, *beep* forte quis consulit, mirabiliter consonus negotio saepe versus exiret, et mirandum non esse dicebat, si ex anima humana, superiore aliquo instinctu, nesciente quid in se fieret, non arte sed sorte sonaret aliquid, quod interrogantis rebus factisque concineret. Et hoc quidem ab illo vel per illum procurasti mihi, et quid ipse postea per me ipsum quaererem, in memoria mea deliniasti. tunc autem nec ipse nec carissimus Nebridius, adulescens valde bonus et valde castus, inridens totum illud divinationis genus, persuadere mihi potuerunt, ut haec abicerem, quoniam me amplius ipsorum auctorum movebat auctoritas, et nullun certum quale quaerebam documentum adhuc inveneram, quo mihi sine ambiguitate appareret, quae ab eis consultis vera dicerentur, forte vel sorte, non arte inspectorum siderum dici. |
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Deicide
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| Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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| canuck wrote: |
| Deicide wrote: |
| Tam homo miser es non tibi me respondare.... |
Thank you. To that I respond:
CAPUT 1
Per idem tempus annorum novem, ab undevicensimo anno aetatis meae usque ad duodetricensimum, seducebamur et seducebamus, falsi atque fallentes in variis cupiditatibus, et palam per doctrinas, quas liberales vocant, occulte autem falso nomine religionis, hic superbi, ibi superstitiosi, ubique vani: hac popularis gloriae sectantes inanitatem, usque ad theatricos plausus, et contentiosa carmina, et agonem coronarum faenearum, et spectaculorum nugas, et intemperantiam libidinum; illac autem purgari nos ab istis sordibus expetentes, *beep* eis, qui appellarentur electi et sancti, afferremus escas, de quibus nobis in officina aqualiculi sui fabricarent angelos et deos, per quos liberaremur. et sectabar ista atque faciebam *beep* amicis meis, per me ac mecum deceptis. inrideant me arrogantes, et nondum salubriter prostrati et elisi a te, deus meus, et ego tamen confitear tibi dedecora mea in laude tua. sine me, obsecro, et da mihi circuire praesenti memoria praeteritos circuitus erroris mei, et immolare tibi hostiam iubilationis. quid enim sum ego mihi sine te nisi dux in praeceps? aut quid sum, *beep* mihi bene est, nisi sugens lac tuum aut fruens te, cibo qui non corrumpitur? et quis homo est quilibet homo, *beep* sit homo? sed inrideant nos fortes et potentes, nos autem infirmi et inopes confiteamur tibi.
CAPUT 2
Docebam in illis annis artem rhetoricam, et victoriosam loquacitatem victus cupiditate vendebam. malebam tamen, domine, tu scis, bonos habere discipulos, sicut appellantur boni, et eos sine dolo docebam dolos, non quibus contra caput innocentis, agerent, sed aliquando pro capite nocentis. et, deus, vidisti de longinquo lapsantem in lubrico, et in multo fumo scintillantem fidem meam, quam exhibebam in illo magisterio diligentibus vanitatem et quaerentibus mendacium, socius eorum. in illis annis unam habebam, non eo quod legitimum vocatur coniugio cognitam, sed quam indagaverat vagus ardor inops prudentiae, sed unam tamen, ei quoque servans tori fidem; in qua sane experirer exemplo meo, quid distaret inter coniugalis placiti modum, quod foederatum esset generandi gratia, et pactum libidinosi amoris, ubi proles etiam contra votum nascitur, quamvis iam nata cogat se diligi. Recolo etiam, *beep* mihi theatrici carminis certamen inire placuisset, mandasse mihi nescio quem haruspicem, quid ei dare vellem mercedis, ut vincerem, me autem foeda illa sacramenta detestatum et abominatum respondisse, nec si corona illa ita esset inmortaliter aurea, muscam pro victoria mea necari sinere. necaturus enim erat ille in sacrificiis suis animantia, et illis honoribus invitaturus mihi suffragatura daemonia videbatur. sed hoc quoque malum non ex tua castitate repudiavi, deus cordis mei. non enim amare te noveram, qui nisi fulgores corporeos cogitare non noveram. talibus enim figmentis suspirans anima nonne fornicatur abs te, et fidit in falsis, et pascit ventos? sed videlicet sacrificari pro me nollem daemonibus, quibus me illa superstitione ipse sacrificabam. quid est enim aliud ventos pascere quam ipsos pascere, hoc est errando eis esse voluptati atque derisui?
CAPUT 3
Itaque illos planos, quos mathematicos vocant, plane consulere non desistebam, quod quasi nullum eis esset sacrificium, et nullae preces ad aliquem spiritum ob divinationem dirigerentur. quod tamen Christiana et vera pietas consequenter repellit et damnat. bonum est enim confiteri tibi, domine, et dicere: Miserere mei, cura animam meam, quoniam peccavi tibi; neque ad licentiam peccandi abuti indulgentia tua, sed meminisse dominicae vocis: Ecce sanus factus es; iam noli peccare, ne quid tibi deterius contingat. quam totam illi salubritatem interficere conantur, *beep* dicunt: de caelo tibi est inevitabilis causa peccandi et Venus hoc fecit aut Saturnus aut Mars, scilicet ut homo sine culpa sit, caro et sanguis et super a putredo, culpandus sit autem caeli ac siderum creator et ordinator. et quis est hic nisi deus noster, suavitas et origo iustitiae, qui reddes unicuique secundum opera eius et cor contritum et humiliatum non spernis? Erat eo tempore vir sagax, medicinae artis peritissimus atque in ea nobilissimus, qui proconsul manu sua coronam illam agonisticam inposuerat non sano capiti meo, sed non ut medicus. nam illius morbi tu sanator, qui resistis superbis, humilibus autem das gratiam. numquid tamen etiam per illum senem defuisti mihi, aut destitisti mederi animae meae? quia enim factus ei eram familiarior, et eius sermonibus -- erant enim sine verborum cultu vivacitate sententiarum iucundi et graves -- adsiduus et fixus inhaerebam: ubi cognovit et ex conloquio meo libris genethliacorum esse me deditum, benigne ac paterne monuit, ut eos abicerem, neque curam et operam rebus utilibus necessariam illi vanitati frustra inpenderem; dicens ita se illa didicisse, ut eam professionem primis annis aetatis suae deferre voluisset, qua vitam degeret, et si Hippocraten intellexisset, et illas utique litteras potuisse intellegere: et tamen non ob aliam causam se postea illis relictis medicinam adsecutum, nisi eas falsissimas conperisset, et nollet vir gravis decipiendis hominibus victum quaerere. at tu inquit quo te in hominibus sustentas, rhetoricam tenes, hanc autem fallaciam libero studio, non necessitate rei familiaris sectaris. quo magis mihi te oportet de illa credere, qui eam tam perfecte discere elaboravi, quam ex ea sola vivere volui. a quo ego *beep* quaesissem, quae causa ergo faceret, ut multa inde vera pronuntiarentur, respondit ille, ut potuit, vim sortis hoc facere, in rerum natura usquequaque diffusam. si enim de paginis poetae cuiuspiam, longe aliud canentis atque intendentis, *beep* forte quis consulit, mirabiliter consonus negotio saepe versus exiret, et mirandum non esse dicebat, si ex anima humana, superiore aliquo instinctu, nesciente quid in se fieret, non arte sed sorte sonaret aliquid, quod interrogantis rebus factisque concineret. Et hoc quidem ab illo vel per illum procurasti mihi, et quid ipse postea per me ipsum quaererem, in memoria mea deliniasti. tunc autem nec ipse nec carissimus Nebridius, adulescens valde bonus et valde castus, inridens totum illud divinationis genus, persuadere mihi potuerunt, ut haec abicerem, quoniam me amplius ipsorum auctorum movebat auctoritas, et nullun certum quale quaerebam documentum adhuc inveneram, quo mihi sine ambiguitate appareret, quae ab eis consultis vera dicerentur, forte vel sorte, non arte inspectorum siderum dici. |
Such skill in cutting and pasting is a rare talent...you could earn a fortune that way... |
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