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rexgardn
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 Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 7:10 pm Post subject: Alerting English teachers of color |
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Hello Everyone
The following is email I received from the Academic Director of ESL Tianjin, China. I withdrew my application and forwarded the email and my concerns to the American Speech Hearing Language Association, TESOL and my congressman. BTW I was born in the PI on a US army base to US parents but I am not interested in working for this organization.
"Thanks for the passport but I can't read the country which issued it. It also says you were born in the Philippines and if you are Phillippinese, I can't hire you as I must have someone from a country where the native language is English. If you were born in the Philippines to American parents, that is different. Please tell me and send a copy of your passport which can be read completely
Donna" |
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SIH
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You know what???
The American Speech Hearing Language Association, TESOL and your congressman aren't going to be able to do squat.
They want a white person from a White backgroud. Some people don't understand that you can be Asian looking but from America or Canada.
Having read your other posts I don't think you should really go to China. |
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7969
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Location: Coastal Guangdong
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| Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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| why not go back to the other thread on the medical exam and post a reply there to some of the things that have been said? |
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Steppenwolf
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| Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:35 am Post subject: |
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And another what: since when is white no colour?
I feel discriminated against by the blacks and the coloureds! |
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Areut
Joined: 17 May 2006
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| Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 9:29 am Post subject: Re: Alerting English teachers of color |
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| rexgardn wrote: |
Hello Everyone
The following is email I received from the Academic Director of ESL Tianjin, China. I withdrew my application and forwarded the email and my concerns to the American Speech Hearing Language Association, TESOL and my congressman. BTW I was born in the PI on a US army base to US parents but I am not interested in working for this organization.
"Thanks for the passport but I can't read the country which issued it. It also says you were born in the Philippines and if you are Phillippinese, I can't hire you as I must have someone from a country where the native language is English. If you were born in the Philippines to American parents, that is different. Please tell me and send a copy of your passport which can be read completely
Donna" |
Rex I thought you couldn't go back to China due to your little Medical problems. So why would you be applying for jobs you have no hope to get? Please explain if you don't mind. I mean if you got everything straightened out let us know how. Or are you trying to get potential employers hopes up to just let them down. |
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no_exit
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| Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:45 am Post subject: |
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| rexgardn, I don't see how the school is discriminating against people of color. They didn't ask you what your ethnic background was, they asked what your nationality is. Phillipinos are not usually native English speakers, even though their English may be quite good. |
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SIH
Joined: 17 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Steppenwolf wrote: |
And another what: since when is white no colour?
I feel discriminated against by the blacks and the coloureds! |
Well really white and black aren't really colours because the definition of white and black is the absence of colour. Not sure about all my spelling there. Need a spell checker on daves. |
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tw
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| Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Since when did Filipinos and southeast Asians become colored people? So, are the Malays and Indonesians colored people too? After all, they are somewhat related to the Filipinos (many Malay words sound remarkably similar to Tagalog words of the same meaning). |
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SIH
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| Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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| They just want a white face. People from the west bitch about it but China has thousands of years of tradition behind them and for some coloured person to tell them that it is wrong to be racist when it comes to business, the Chinese people are just going to laugh at them and say so what. |
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jammish
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| Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 12:59 am Post subject: |
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| SIH wrote: |
You know what???
The American Speech Hearing Language Association, TESOL and your congressman aren't going to be able to do squat.
They want a white person from a White backgroud. Some people don't understand that you can be Asian looking but from America or Canada.
Having read your other posts I don't think you should really go to China. |
Can you read? The OP sounds like he is a white american who happens to have been born in the Phillipines to parents who were on a military base. |
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cj750
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| Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:22 am Post subject: |
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| Since when did Filipinos and southeast Asians become colored people? |
since the term is basically US born...and was originally folks of mixed African and Caucasian or Indian and may have been used as a differentiating point as to how much white vs. colored blood a person had and therefore rule as to their place in society. Now it may mean any person as non-white.....this definition was based as a scale for racial division such as a "quadroon"..1/4 colored... |
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tw
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| Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:22 am Post subject: |
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| jammish wrote: |
| Can you read? The OP sounds like he is a white american who happens to have been born in the Phillipines to parents who were on a military base. |
No jammish, I think you need to read more carefully:
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| It also says you were born in the Philippines and if you are Phillippinese, I can't hire you as I must have someone from a country where the native language is English. If you were born in the Philippines to American parents, that is different. Please tell me and send a copy of your passport which can be read completel |
Also, from www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?t=44175&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15
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| He was a Filipino with a Chinese grandmother (even if that is true, I don't know). |
Note that the OP obviously had applied for a job without including his passport page. |
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7969
Joined: 26 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:45 am Post subject: |
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| tw wrote: |
| jammish wrote: |
| Can you read? The OP sounds like he is a white american who happens to have been born in the Phillipines to parents who were on a military base. |
No jammish, I think you need to read more carefully:
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| It also says you were born in the Philippines and if you are Phillippinese, I can't hire you as I must have someone from a country where the native language is English. If you were born in the Philippines to American parents, that is different. Please tell me and send a copy of your passport which can be read completel |
Also, from www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?t=44175&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15
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| He was a Filipino with a Chinese grandmother (even if that is true, I don't know). |
Note that the OP obviously had applied for a job without including his passport page. |
in the original post, the individual being applied to for the job acknowledges receiving the passport page, but they go on to add:
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| "Thanks for the passport but I can't read the country which issued it. It also says you were born in the Philippines |
they got the passport page but for some reason cant read the country name that issued it? hmmmmmm. |
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Steppenwolf
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| Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 2:47 am Post subject: Re: Alerting English teachers of color |
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"Thanks for the passport but I can't read the country which issued it.
It also says you were born in the Philippines and if you are Phillippinese, Please tell me and send a copy of your passport which can be read completely
Donna" |
Intriguing! So the copy the recipient printed out on their printer was illegible though it gave away the fact that the poster was born in the Philippines.
Tell me:
What country produces passports that are illegible though they give away the bearer's Filippino birth place?
Is that so because those passports are obtained on the black market?
Or is that so because the government printer doesn't know English?
Or is the poor legibility attributable to some deliberate fudging so that the recipient cannot identify his non-U.S. origin?
In any case, the original poster has massively contributed to the mysteries surrounding his rejection by this employer; remember he is still looking for employment in a country that has formally rejected his application on medical grounds. |
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vikdk
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| Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 4:40 am Post subject: |
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| Or is the poor legibility attributable to some deliberate fudging so that the recipient cannot identify his non-U.S. origin? |
posters here often fudge the issue of their true national identity - not wanting to give away their non-native English speaking status  |
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