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Deicide



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spiral78 wrote:
Good point, DainaJ - I didn't mean to overlook Gordon's thoughtful and positive response.

Deicide, I wouldn't want personally to take the 'worst case scenario' and use it to base my decisions on.


Most important decisions have exactly that basis as their criteria...
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DainaJ



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's fine for you, Deicide - it's a very personal decision. I took the risk and we have had 15 great years of supporting each other in turn. Believe it or not, it can work. I hope the OP sees that there are many situations in which this type of arrangement can work.
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We live in Peru, so the divorce rate is lower. Actually, it's more me than him that wants him to finish. I'm pushing for it.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, our child could turn out to be a serial killer. Better not have one.
My marriage could end in divorce. Better not get married!
I might hate teaching abroad. Better not even try.
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MELEE



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I sent ng a pm but for the sake of this discussion I'll post here to.

I've known my husband for 8 and 1/2 years. We've been married for 3 and 1/2 and we have two year old twins. He's been a full time student that entire time. The first 5 years were his BA (it's a five year program here) we got married just after he graduated and he went straight into his MA. Both degrees are from public universities with no tuition here in Mexico, and for his MA he was actually getting a government stipen that was equal to about half my salary. It has been hard, but mostly because his MA is in a city 11 hours away from my job! And while my pregnancy was planned, we didn't plan on having twins Wink . Nature's way of reminding us that you can't plan for everything. I have done WAY more than what I would have thought was my share of the parenting and housekeeping (thank god we can afford our houskeeper).

naturegirl321 wrote:
Actually, it's more me than him that wants him to finish. I'm pushing for it.


For me this is a major red flag. The reason this situation has worked for us is my husband's extreme desire to keep studying, and his infectious enthusiasm for it. It helps that in Mexico an MA is a ticket to another life style and I know that while I've been living from paycheck to paycheck for the first time in my life that all that will change when he finishes his MA in a couple of months.

I also think the positive comments in this thread are from the people who have lived the situation and seen it work. The negative comments are from the ones who've never been in our shoes. But I can't say, It worked for me it will work for anyone. Every situation is different. He's got to want it as much as you do and visa versa.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MELEE wrote:
naturegirl321 wrote:
Actually, it's more me than him that wants him to finish. I'm pushing for it.


For me this is a major red flag.


It is for me too. While not a teacher when I did it, I supported my ex for a while. He really didn't want me to, and didn't want to be in the situation where he couldn't be "the man" (his words, not mine) in the relationship. When it was reversed a few years later and he was pushing me to finish my studies, he was more than happy to support me (without my even asking).

Obviously I don't know your husband, but if he wasn't keen to finish, I wouldn't push him, even if you think its the best thing for him to do. Wait for him to decide for himself, and let him pretend it was his idea! Wink
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Justin Trullinger



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haven't been in the situation myself- on either side of it. (Though both my partner and I have helped support each other when, for various reasons, one or the other was earning less, neither of us has been, or could be, a full time student since we met.)

I have seen others in this situation though. It seems to work sometimes, not others. It looks to me like the biggest factors are how much you BOTH want him to complete his studies, and how strong your relationship is in the first place. Another big factor is going to be his attitude towards what it means for you to support him. In foreigner/latino relationships, I've seen rather too many examples of the latin partner who thinks that it's not big deal for you to support him (you are, after all, from a rich country...) and doesn't feel appreciative of the breadwinning partner. Meanwhile, the breadwinning partner, who is really making some serious sacrifices, feels unthanked and resentful...and it goes down hill.

But if you both work at it, it can be made to work. Just keep communication open...

best,
Justin
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Aramas



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DainaJ wrote:
spiral,

I think that in this thread the people who have *actually been in this situation* are more positive and those judging from second-hand experience are more negative...

Razz


Not quite. Perhaps men are just less inclined to spill their guts on a public forum. I have been in that situation and I didn't like it. Someone mentioned social pressures being a problem, but neglected to mention a lifetime of social conditioning.

There are no positive aspects to being a 'kept man'. It's embarrassing, demoralising and depressing, and any man who finds himself in that situation will react to it one way or another. It's particularly difficult for a man who has been independent for most of his life. He will likely feel helpless and trapped, and in that situation may turn to alcohol, drugs or infidelity. Or just walk away. If he's a girly man, you might just find him sobbing in the kitchen from time to time Smile

The funny thing is that when my 'friends' found out that I was leaving, most of them thought I was a fool, and that I should stick it out (for the money) until I graduated, then leave. When I left I lost my house and everything in it, but I reclaimed my self respect, and I've never regretted it for a moment.

I honestly don't know how women can stand it either, but at least social conditioning and pressure supports it.


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Gordon



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 11:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with others about him not wanting to go back to school and finish. If he doesn't really want to and isn't motivated, he shouldn't. I nearly killed myself from overwork the past 2 years, my relationship with my family was not good and if I didn't feel that it was vital to finish, I wouldn't have. A masters is easy to start, but very hard to finish.
Think this through very carefully. You must both be on the same page.
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all your advice. We've decided to save up money and he could possibly start next August.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There are no positive aspects to being a 'kept man'. It's embarrassing, demoralising and depressing, and any man who finds himself in that situation will react to it one way or another.


I have not been in the situation but having your wife support you is almost like being over 30 and having to ask your mother for beer money. Who is really comfortable asking their mother for $20 to go drinking(or wife)?
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Deicide



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

spiral78 wrote:
Wow, our child could turn out to be a serial killer. Better not have one.
My marriage could end in divorce. Better not get married!
I might hate teaching abroad. Better not even try.


Given the fact that you tout yourself as the all knowing, fortunate American married to an EU female with years of teaching under your belt (in the Netherlands no less), what then is the driving force behind your existence? Can you enlighten us?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deicide wrote:
spiral78 wrote:
Wow, our child could turn out to be a serial killer. Better not have one.
My marriage could end in divorce. Better not get married!
I might hate teaching abroad. Better not even try.


Given the fact that you tout yourself as the all knowing, fortunate American married to an EU female with years of teaching under your belt (in the Netherlands no less), what then is the driving force behind your existence? Can you enlighten us?


Give it a rest Deicide, the onus is not on spiral78 to "enlighten" us about the "driving force behind his existence". Besides, this thread is not a debate about whether marriage is a good idea or not but about supporting one's spouse.

Maybe you should start your own thread titled: "Given that there is no God and marriage is a sham and babies are NOT miracles is there any point to furthering the education of our students or doing anything?"
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aramas wrote:
DainaJ wrote:
spiral,

I think that in this thread the people who have *actually been in this situation* are more positive and those judging from second-hand experience are more negative...

Razz


Not quite. Perhaps men are just less inclined to spill their guts on a public forum. I have been in that situation and I didn't like it. Someone mentioned social pressures being a problem, but neglected to mention a lifetime of social conditioning.

There are no positive aspects to being a 'kept man'. It's embarrassing, demoralising and depressing, and any man who finds himself in that situation will react to it one way or another. It's particularly difficult for a man who has been independent for most of his life. He will likely feel helpless and trapped, and in that situation may turn to alcohol, drugs or infidelity. Or just walk away. If he's a girly man, you might just find him sobbing in the kitchen from time to time Smile

The funny thing is that when my 'friends' found out that I was leaving, most of them thought I was a fool, and that I should stick it out (for the money) until I graduated, then leave. When I left I lost my house and everything in it, but I reclaimed my self respect, and I've never regretted it for a moment.

I honestly don't know how women can stand it either, but at least social conditioning and pressure supports it.


Good Point there; some good masculine imput is appreciated... Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

furiousmilksheikali wrote:
Deicide wrote:
spiral78 wrote:
Wow, our child could turn out to be a serial killer. Better not have one.
My marriage could end in divorce. Better not get married!
I might hate teaching abroad. Better not even try.


Given the fact that you tout yourself as the all knowing, fortunate American married to an EU female with years of teaching under your belt (in the Netherlands no less), what then is the driving force behind your existence? Can you enlighten us?


Give it a rest Deicide, the onus is not on spiral78 to "enlighten" us about the "driving force behind his existence". Besides, this thread is not a debate about whether marriage is a good idea or not but about supporting one's spouse.



Maybe you should start your own thread titled: "Given that there is no God and marriage is a sham and babies are NOT miracles is there any point to furthering the education of our students or doing anything?"


Well I was thinking about something along those lines Cool
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