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Jizzo T. Clown



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:59 am    Post subject: How to get students to do their homework (for uni classes) Reply with quote

What's the best method?

Seems like lots of students don't take their homework seriously, then they wonder why they fail their tests. I've tried nearly everything I can think of, and the ones who do it always do it; the ones who don't...never do.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So fail them. If you have the records, you are supported.
How much of their grade depends on homework, by the way? Make it a large chunk, but not 100% of their grade.
What sort of homework are you asking them to do?
Do they have to hand it in personally on paper, or did you make a blog so they can do it online and have a little fun?
Do you even explain their mistakes after you've corrected the homework?
Is the homework clear enough for them to understand? Have you asked?

I have had little trouble with uni students doing my homework. They know what is expected, and what happens if they don't do enough of it. They also get feedback from me on the major mistakes.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I assign homework, which is not very often, I go around the room and personally check each and every student's workbook (the homework) to see that it's done. Students know that I do that. I have about three hundred students and almost all of them do the homework. I might get three to five people out of three hundred who fail to do it. Their homework is part of their participation points which is worth ten percent of their grade. It's worth mentioning that my students are not self-motivated and the threat of me talking to them about failing to do the homework is their motivation. When they come back to class with the homework assignment, I have in-class assigments that are based on their homework.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
So fail them.
Exactly what I was going to write.
University is not just about learning the class material, it also involves learning about life in general. In real life, no one mollycoddles you and holds your hand; if you don't meet what is expected of you, you end up with problems. It's better that the students learn that lesson now than when they're trying to run a business or work for others.
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Jizzo T. Clown



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:

What sort of homework are you asking them to do?


We're pretty much tied to the text books, so I assign exercises from those.

Glenski wrote:
Do they have to hand it in personally on paper, or did you make a blog so they can do it online and have a little fun?


Usually on paper, but sometimes I'll give them a blog assignment, since it's so easy to check.

Glenski wrote:

Do you even explain their mistakes after you've corrected the homework?
Is the homework clear enough for them to understand? Have you asked?


I have them check their answers together, then I'll go over any answers they disagree on. Of course the homework is clear, since I always go over the assignment before sending them off. I'm trying to foster teamwork and independent learning. Perhaps some students see that as a license to do nothing.

WE--one thing I've tried is giving a pop quiz over the homework. Seems to work really well for the more motivated kids. Only thing is, I don't want to resort to giving a pop quiz every day, since we're required to give one hour of homework every night--that's a lot of grading.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 4:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've introduced some quizzes for some classes now, and yes, this would seem to get some students to study more (some students still fail the quiz even after a quick review prior to it Evil or Very Mad ). Again though, I don't feel like my job is to be master of the universe, but it is very true, students who think that their poor work habits will go over well in the workplace are in for a rude awakening Rolling Eyes .

Question for our bloggers; what kind of blog homework do you assign and why is it easier to correct (because it is paperless)? And how are you affected by storage space (a lot of the blogs have some limitations on space from what I undestand)?

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Do you even explain their mistakes after you've corrected the homework?
Is the homework clear enough for them to understand? Have you asked?


I also go over most homework so that students can understand why they missed something, though it tends to be more incomplete work that is a problem. Many students just don't see the link between homework and passing the tests, though often my homework and the test are exactly the same. In other words, if they successfully do the homework, they can easily pass the test.

Sometimes the clarity issue happens Confused , but it is usually only a few lower level students who might have misunderstood what to do (and sometimes didn't read the instructions on the homework or textbook page), but in that case I take that into consideration when grading their homework and tack on a note or have a private conference with them about it.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jizzo T. Clown wrote:
WE--one thing I've tried is giving a pop quiz over the homework. Seems to work really well for the more motivated kids. Only thing is, I don't want to resort to giving a pop quiz every day, since we're required to give one hour of homework every night--that's a lot of grading.

Who "requires" you to give one hour of homework EVERY NIGHT?! Shocked I've never heard of such a thing for university students at the academic level.

Don't you have sole autonomy over your classes? If not, that's part of the problem right there.

How many students are we talking in each class and how often are they required to attend class?

Sometimes we have to bear a few things in mind. 1.) These students have other classes and responsibilites besides OUR class. 2.) If we load them down with homework that is either too much, too difficult or both, we wind up with apathetic students who wont do anything at all. 3.) What are we going to accomplish by assigning homework that is too cumbersome for US to grade in the first place?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gotta agree with White Elephant. Universities pretty much give teachers free rein. Nobody forces them to do much of anything. How are you forced to give daily homework?

I'm also curious about the expression "every night", as in 5 times a week. Is this true? Sounds like some super special sort of uni class to me. Mine meet only once a week, as do most that I know of.

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We're pretty much tied to the text books, so I assign exercises from those.
What sort of exercises? Heck, even for short essay type answers in my classes of 50, it's easy enough to correct if one is not overly picky about the grammar and focuses merely on communication and whether or not they answered all the points asked.

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Of course the homework is clear, since I always go over the assignment before sending them off.
No offense, but I've thought that many of my assignments were clear, but kids (even univ ones) seem to find ways to make them anti-idiot proof.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Our director doesn't constantly monitor our classes or anything, but she tells us (all the time) that since out program is "intensive," our kids need at least six hours of homework every night--her policy, not mine. And by every night, I mean M-Th, since Fridays are their lab days. I sometimes slack off a bit, especially before the holidays.

Maybe universities give free rein in Japan, but not mine! We teachers are held accountable to NCN, a recruiting agency for Japanese students, who expect us to get them into uni classes ASAP. And they require us to give their students enough work that they'll exit our program within 1 year or less. Yes, that is part of the problem, but that's what you have to deal with at US universities--politics. It's not all roses back home!

I have the same six classes every day.

As for types of exercises, most are note-taking, in which case each student has to listen to a lecture and turn in their notes. These can easily be four-six pages each.

Re: blogs, usually their assignment is a reading journal entry or to answer a question set from their texts. All I have to do is visit their blog and see that they wrote something that vaguely resembles the assignment and that they left comments on the other students' blogs.

Actually, I have had one or two assignments not get done because they didn't understand the directions in the book, but this happened in my low-level classes.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jizzo T. Clown wrote:
Our director doesn't constantly monitor our classes or anything, but she tells us (all the time) that since out program is "intensive," our kids need at least six hours of homework every night--her policy, not mine. And by every night, I mean M-Th, since Fridays are their lab days. I sometimes slack off a bit, especially before the holidays.

Maybe universities give free rein in Japan, but not mine! We teachers are held accountable to NCN, a recruiting agency for Japanese students, who expect us to get them into uni classes ASAP. And they require us to give their students enough work that they'll exit our program within 1 year or less. Yes, that is part of the problem, but that's what you have to deal with at US universities--politics. It's not all roses back home!

I have the same six classes every day.


You aren't dealing with politics, it's called Administration. I have a Master's in Higher Ed. Admin. and there is a difference.

Also, what you are explaining is not teaching university students at the academic level. You are teaching students in a language intensive program to help these "kids" get matriculated into the university. Is that right? This changes everything!

Still, I think your director needs a reality check (like yesterday) if she thinks these students need six hours of homework every single night for a whole year. Is she trying to burn them out and her teachers too!? You are up a creek without a paddle on this one!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

White_Elephant wrote:

You aren't dealing with politics, it's called Administration. I have a Master's in Higher Ed. Admin. and there is a difference.


Fair enough, guess you got me on that one.

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Also, what you are explaining is not teaching university students at the academic level. You are teaching students in a language intensive program to help these "kids" get matriculated into the university. Is that right?


Yes, but I am teaching them academic English.

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This changes everything!


How so?

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Still, I think your director needs a reality check (like yesterday) if she thinks these students need six hours of homework every single night for a whole year. Is she trying to burn them out and her teachers too!?

Seems to be. I passed burnout some time last month!

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You are up a creek without a paddle on this one!


I appreciate your optimism. Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jizzo,
Without using White Elephant's large font, I will chime in again and agree with him/her. Your situation is not a typical university, or any university that I've ever heard of. It's some sort of intensive program, as you have admitted. All by itself that makes the difference... between what you do in a rare situation and what you put in the subject line here (what university teachers do). At least, that's one way to understand it -- that you were asking as if you were also working in a normal university.

Ok, now that we've sorted that out, I'll also agree with WE in that six hours of homework a night is ludicrous, but if this is what the students have signed up for (a total of 6 hours combined from your classes and others), then so be it in NCN's world of push, push, push. Just how long does this program last -- almost a year!!?? It's a wonder that your students don't jump off every bridge in sight, but if they are studying for a particularly strong reason, then NCN should make it clear to them and their parents what they will face. Do they?

So the director doesn't (and physically can't) monitor every teacher's classes. That doesn't mean the homework you give has to really last a long time, does it? As long as they are doing something you can claim is homework, make it such that it is easy to grade all the time. Do the hard stuff in the classroom, partly for hand in assignments that you correct, and partly for peer correction. Sounds like you are already doing that to some degree.

Lecturing and taking notes. Boring as snot, IMO. Are you doing some sort of guided listening during the lecture? If not, do it and ease up on the kids. Dictatory is a nice exercise (Google it). Are you teaching writing at all? If not, include simple exercises there to identify topic sentences, all the nouns, only the subjects, verbs vs. adjectives formed from participles, etc. and give that as easy homework.

Is this some sort of program for ronin students who couldn't get in the first time from high school? I can't figure who else would have the time to do almost a year of intensive daily classes.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski--

Thanks for the feedback. I don't teach writing, and it wouldn't be my place to do so, since my course is "Listening and Note-Taking Skills." This by definition necessitates the need to practice listening to lectures and exploring different note-taking techniques. Of course, I do what I can to keep it interesting, as there are many guided listening exercises. I also try to break the monotony by watching CNN or having the students teach a section of the text, but then this is off-topic.

Guess I should've titled this post "IEPs" instead of "unis." Embarassed

However, I'm not sure that working in an IEP is such a *rare situation*, in fact, it's where many (if not most) MA TESOL grads end up if they want to work in the US.

And to clarify, these students come here from everywhere (not just Japan) to earn a degree from our university. They can't be admitted into normal classes until they either make a high enough score on the TOEFL, or successfully complete our program.

Sometimes it takes students two years to gain admission as a full-time "regular" student. Their sole purpose for being here is to take intensive academic English classes, so time isn't really an issue.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WE posted
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You aren't dealing with politics, it's called Administration. I have a Master's in Higher Ed. Admin. and there is a difference.


WE, I guess you are not familar with the expression 'office politics', which is what Jizzo was referring to. 'Office politics' refers to both admin., mangerial, and coworker shenanigans that often impede rather than make work easier to do Cool Rolling Eyes .

Yes Jizzo, your sort of program is not that rare, but it is a different sort of university program. I have a friend who teaches in a prep school in Japan for 'misplaced ronin' who plan to go to universities abroad. They usually do a two year program. The English level of many of the students there is much higher than the 'average' Japanese university student, especially by the time they finish the two year program (just a lot more English classes and classes all in English will do it).

That being said, your boss is definately not realistic (especially when it comes to the amount of homework students should be given), but then I meet a lot of people in admin. in Japan that I would say fall in the same category Wink .

Jizzo, try some fun video listening exercises just to break up the monotony. It doesn't have to be all lecture types, many types of listening are useful. 'Youtube' has all kinds of stuff you can try. The range varies from Berlitz commercials to animation/TV shows, docuementaries etc.. I would use 'Youtube' more, but I don't have access to computers at 2 universities I work at, and another requires some advance 'footwork' on my part to bring a computer in.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't teach writing, and it wouldn't be my place to do so, since my course is "Listening and Note-Taking Skills."
In a way, you do teach writing. Note-taking is an art that can be perfected. I have yet to meet a lot of Japanese students that know the first thing about taking notes whether for Japanese or foreign teachers. Anyway, part of note-taking in my mind involves re-writing them. Who takes perfect notes the first time, anyway? Show them how to organize their notes, if for no other reason than a diversion from the regular crud they do.

What's IEP?

(Took me a moment to realize that your avatar suggests you are in the USA, not Japan. I guess that confusion was what threw me off into thinking you worked at a yobiko (ronin school). Regardless, I still think your institution's notion of so much homework is too harsh.
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