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fluffyhamster
Joined: 13 Mar 2005 Posts: 3292 Location: UK > China > Japan > UK again
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 1:45 am Post subject: |
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| furiousmilksheikali wrote: |
| Yes, but given the target of the lesson is to find out what students would miss if they weren't in Japan it seems reasonable and necessary to have them think of things they would be leaving behind in their home country. |
Oh, right, I see. I didn't realize the task was quite so set in stone (I thought it was just about getting 'em to think about 'miss'). That's what comes from sneaking hurried goes on the staffroom PC at my school. Oh, how I miss having the net connection at home.  |
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cry_of_the_sedge
Joined: 16 Nov 2006 Posts: 1
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Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 5:41 am Post subject: Japanese for these concepts |
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Miss: "Sabishigaru"
Things: In this case, "koto." That goes for intangible things. Tangible things are "mono." |
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24601
Joined: 25 May 2006 Posts: 75
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Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 7:57 am Post subject: |
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| furiousmilksheikali wrote: |
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| That one always goes great and wastes lots of time as long as no one asks the dreaded "teacher... what is... miss?" |
A "great" lesson that "wastes" lots of time?
An interesting choice of words there 24601. |
The idea is to keep students speaking for the entire 40 minutes. If you have a lesson like... oh gawd like "negotiating" (Japanese people don't do that! so I've been told and they give two word answers) its painful to try to drag words out. This one you make them talk about what countries they'd like to live in, why, what would they miss from home, what would they not miss. Because of NOVA's complex with Following the Lesson Format Exactly (However, to be fair to NOVA, a lot of students get really b*tchy and complain if you do not -my roomie has a student in branch who when she starts with the "getting to know you" part will stab the lesson book with her finger and with a really b*tchy look on her face say "FOLLOW LESSON!" and get furious and leave if it is not followed precisely) it's not possible unless you have one on one lessons with cool advanced students to just have natural free conversations. So you're grateful for the few well done lesson plans which leave lots of room for topics and questions to discuss. |
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furiousmilksheikali

Joined: 31 Jul 2006 Posts: 1660 Location: In a coffee shop, splitting a 30,000 yen tab with Sekiguchi.
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Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 9:21 am Post subject: |
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You'll have to give us all some idea what level D1 is. "What would you miss about Japan?" sounds like a low-intermediate grammar target which means it is not too surprising to find students who may have "gaps" in their vocabulary such as the word "miss". It's also important to remember that students are often only answering questions that they are given and don't always realize they are supposed to give extra information to questions. This is why I suggested that the students be given time to create their own lists so that they are not simultaneously trying to grapple with new vocabulary, a tricky grammar point and new and interesting content all at the same time.
When I worked at NOVA there were a few teachers who placed the most unreasonable expectations on their students in the name of "free conversation" . Most of the time the topic of the lesson was whatever the teacher had just read about in the newspaper before going in to the lesson or the outrageous lack of express lanes in this country. When the student didn't seem to have any opinions on the matter ("Japanese people don't have opinions!") this riled the teacher even more. They would sometimes return to the staff room fuming about the students' lack of interest in the US primary elections and their generally blank looking faces and their dumb questions "what mean 'how's going?'"
To be honest, the better teachers turn out to be the ones who stop trying to kill 40 minutes with pointless chit-chat (those lessons are the ones that will drag on interminably) and who give clear and concrete ways to use the language. NOVA uses a terrible system for having any meaningful discussion as 40 minutes is really only enough time to introduce a topic. If the students don't have any background to this topic and don't have the skills to discuss any topic how can anyone possibly expect a student there to be competent at it? |
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sallycat
Joined: 11 Mar 2006 Posts: 303 Location: behind you. BOO!
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Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 7:03 am Post subject: |
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bingo, low-intermediate. usta be level 6.
ita on the free cons -- usually consisted of the teacher torturing the student with their opinions until the bell rang. |
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