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Renewing a fmt visa - tourist card
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Dragonlady



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ben Round de Bloc



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 2:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Border run Reply with quote

Dragonlady wrote:
Not sure if you already know this, but your weekend away has to be a minimum of 72 hours.

If you did a border run to Belize, you could probably cut the out-of-country time down to a couple of hours at most . . . but it would cost you. Not sure what the going rate is now, but according to a friend of mine who did it a few years ago, it was 500 pesos back then. Shocked
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corporatehuman



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just noticed these posts, which is good...I realize I'm supposed to stay in guatemala for 72 hours, but I don't really have the time to.

I leave this friday for the Comitan border place dragonlady was referring to, and I just plan on trying to enter, and then return. I'll let you all know how it goes.

Chris
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Ben Round de Bloc



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

corporatehuman wrote:
I just plan on trying to enter, and then return. I'll let you all know how it goes.

Please do. I'm curious to hear how it goes.
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corporatehuman



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So here's how the immigration story went:

I left here at Chiapa de Corzo at 10:30, arrived in La Mesila at 3 or so. Problem was yesterday all the highways from Comitan to the Frontier had blockades supporting PRD. On the way there this wasn't a problem, the combi would drive to the blockade and we could cross.

I went to immigration and at first it was closed, in support of the protest. An hour later it was open. I went, had my passport stamped by Mexican immigration, that I left. Then I went into La Mesila, which very well may be one of Dante's Inner Circle of Hells, to the Guatemalan immigration, and they stamped my entrance.

A second later I said now I want to leave. I paid 200 pesos and they stamped my exit. They clarified for me that at the moment, technically, I was still in Guatemala, because I didn't have a Mexican entrance stamp.

So then I go to Mexican immigration, maybe 30 minutes later. The immigration official there asked me, "Didn't you just leave?" and I said, "Yes." and that was it, he gave me 90 days. I asked for a 180, but he told me the max is a 90.

I returned that night, somehow getting through the myriad of blockades, and arrived home at 11pm.

If anyone else goes to this border, just be aware the immigration offices are not obvious. The Mexican one, has two buildings, and is 10 minutes outside of La Mesila. The smaller building is the one with the immigration. The other office is for cars, something else.

Also the border itself isn't clearly marked. When you walk into 'Guatemala' you do just that, no one stops you, just walk in. to the left is Guatemalan immigration. You also wouldn't have to pay 200 pesos, I stupidly didn't have a smaller bill at the time.

Anyway, so it can be done in a day. For what it matters, I also made small talk with the Mexican immigration guy, and the chaos of the day (with all the highways closed) made for easy conversation.


Best of luck to anyone else,

Chris
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cangringo



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hlamb,

I know what you went through, we did the same thing because at the border they refused to give us 90 days, only 30 days and the same for our vehicle permit which I must say turned the whole process into a big pain in the butt. We had to go there 3 or 4 times...yeesh just for a tourist visa. They told us the forms and then we coudn't find the SAT form anywhere because we were looking for the wrong form. Finally found that, then couldn't find the man with the typewriter we were assured was a block away from the immigration office. Luckily we met some people that worked at the Canadian Chamber of Commerce here and they helped us with the paperwork - especially the letter stating why we want to be here. Anyway finally got back with paperwork in hand and were told it would be a week for the visa and stupid us had to get back to the border to renew our car permit. After explaining this in Spanglish, they said well why didn't you just go across the border again to which we replied, well they only gave us 30 days and we thought this would ensure us the needed 180 days. When the nice lady at immigration finally saw me reaching the breaking point, she said ok come back in a half hour. Yay finally got visa and then had to drive to the border and renew the car permit.

For the debit or credit card, luckily they don't actually need a statement just a record of a transaction at a local bank machine so make sure you have one of these on hand.

I realize we might have been able to get the 90 day visa at the border but we would still have to renew the car permit etc, etc, etc. and there's no guarantee that they will give you the 90 days at the border - yadda yadda yadda...
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Samantha



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I realize we might have been able to get the 90 day visa at the border but we would still have to renew the car permit etc, etc, etc. and there's no guarantee that they will give you the 90 days at the border - yadda yadda yadda...


As long as your status in Mexico is current and up-to-date you do not need to go anywhere to get a new vehicle importation permit. Your car is legal in Mexico as long as you are. That's in the customs law. Immigration people aren't up-to-speed on Aduana rules and your car falls under the Aduana umbrella. Some people here go into Aduana to show their current status and to get a letter but it is not required. I have never bothered.

Your local Immigration office can grant you the balance of up to the full 180 days at the first visit if you haven't yet applied for your work permits. At that time you just need to explain that you will be traveling around Mexico and need the full allowable time. That's what all the snowbirds do if they don't get the 180 at the border...they stay up to 6 months. Maybe because of your ages you are being treated differently at Immigration but it makes no sense and sounds like a money grab. But you sure don't need to go get a new car permit. The current dates of your FMT or FM3 overrides the expiration date on the car permit.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh man, I wish we'd know that because we didn't want to make the drive back to Reynosa for the new car permit, we are good until June but our car permit expires in Feb. So you're saying we don't need to renew again?? What happens to our car deposit though, we had to give the $200 deposit to bring it in as we don't have credit cards...??

It would be fantastic if we didn't have to drive back and we didn't think it made sense to do that but they told us at the border we had to and the people at the immigration office were clueless.

We are getting used to that though... Shocked Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Samantha



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What happens to our car deposit though, we had to give the $200 deposit to bring it in as we don't have credit cards...??


You will get your deposit back when you leave Mexico and they scrape it from your windshield. Make sure to keep the receipt they give you for turning it in. My BC license plates have the last registration date of 2000 on them and my last import permit was issued in 2003.

The solution here is to apply for your FM3 and then you won't be stressing out about this stuff. It makes no sense. If you have your authenticated TEFL certificate and your passport, there should be no problem with qualifying, as Tim mentioned in another thread. Again, the tempory importation of your vehicle is tied to your legal status in Mexico so to be really sure about this, getting the FM3 is your answer. If someone at the border decided to enforce the regulation that you can't get back-to-back 180 day permissions you would be hooped because you have already been in Mexico for 6 months and they have computers these days. You may benefit from reading this bit from Mexico Mike's book:

Excerpted from the 4th edition of Live Better South of the Border, 2005.

Updates on Mexican Tourist Permits (FMT's)

"Mexican Immigration officials have told me privately that they are ignoring the rule that you can only get one Mexican tourist card (an FMT) every year if -- in their clairvoyance -- they don't think you are living or working in Mexico. So take heart and somehow just try to look like you don't live live in Mexico, whatever that means.

You don�t need a visa to travel to Mexico as a tourist. You need a tourist card, called an FMT (also seen as an FM-T in some publications). This FMT Mexican tourist permit is good for multiple entries. The Mexican tourist permit (FMT) is no longer free (except in Sonora). Although the cost of the Mexican tourist permit (FMT) varies according to the peso and does go up periodically, it will set you back about $25 (that�s today�the cost will only go up). Sonora has a � Sonora Only� tourist card that you need to get, and, theoretically, you need a Mexican tourist permit for Baja, but the enforcement of this rule is sporadic at best. If you are traveling for seven days or fewer in the rest of the country, you don�t need one. Technically, you can only be a tourist in Mexico for 180 days out of 365. Technically, and sometimes practically, if you try to return to Mexico after your 180 days are up, you will be told to go home.

Now, thanks to computerization, the government can keep track of you (conspiracy theorists, unite!). They keep a database of everyone who enters and for how long, Don�t ask for 180 days unless you need them; otherwise, you might not get back in for a year. Get a few days extra, to allow for the unexpected, but don�t get more than a week�s extra time if you want to come back again soon. Be sure to turn your tourist card in, either at the airport (where the ticket agent will insist that you do) or at the Migrac�on office near the border. Finding these is always a challenge, but worth it."

P.S. Take your car permit papers and your valid tourist card to your local Aduana office (wearing your best smile) and ask for a letter confirming your permit is valid until June when your tourist card expires. It should be no problem and will make you feel better.
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cangringo



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the info, when we looked up the tourist permits that isn't what it said at all. We did leave for a week at Christmas and came back in by air and the guy at the border decided to give us 180 days. Very unusual I know.

Like I said we didn't want to leave the visa for this long but we have also had conflicting stories on who can get it, how to get it etc. and because our school isn't applying we were unsure we could even get one because from what they told us at immigration they want a bank statement showing you have enough money for a few months etc. if you apply by yourself and not through the school?? I'm guessing you are saying that isn't true but after the FMT paperwork...

and we are getting our stuff together for it and getting help from the friend because we don't want to make 4 trips again.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 4:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Border run to Guatemala Reply with quote

Dragonlady wrote:


Yes, anything is possible. I too did it in one day... by flirting with the Mexican migration officer upon returning - but I was also prepared to stay the required 72 hours if batting eyelashes failed. Anyone thinking of trying this should be as well. Honestly, given the events of the day that you describe, I think you really lucked out. Wink


I did luck out. But getting back was hard. What happened was there were five blockades, over a stretch of...maybe 20 kilometers. By the time I finished with immigration, the blockades had been in place for EIGHT hours. I didn't realize this, so I just started walking, telling two other foreign people (one guy that was carrying a broken guitar...headed to San Cristobal) that there would be combis right up ahead, just past the blockade. Two hours later, I finally reached the first blockade. JUST as they were removing it. Which meant that if I didn't find a combi I'd be stuck walking along side eight hours of traffic on this highway in the middle of nowhere.

By this time the two foreign people who I had helped decided to leave, cause they thought I was crazy, and I started talking with some other Mexican guy who had also been walking for 2 hours. FORTUNE have it, we flagged down one of the first trucks to get through the blockade, got into the back, went 5 kilometers, then I found a Combi that had changed its route to pick up passengers.

All in all it was a great day. And I still have that VISA.
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