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misterkodak
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Location: Neither Here Nor There
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| Then next thing you know.. they'll all want to wash their feet in the sink. I never have understood that one. I thought you were supposed to be clean for the "man upstairs", hence the ablutions.. but none of the turkish men's rooms seem like the place i'd want to wash up in. |
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Baba Alex
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dmb
Joined: 12 Feb 2003
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| they'll all want to wash their feet in the sink |
A couple of weeks ago I was walking past the mosque in Maltepe(btw that's one impressive mosque, the best one on the Asian side?) and it was just before prayer time and there were loads of blokes washing their feet outside under the tap thingies... taps. I was quite impressed and thought that's dedication. It was well cold that day. Had I been muslim I would've pretended to have washed my feet and kept my socks on.
Islam is a religion of hot deserty places. I mean, when was the last time you met an Islamic Inuit? |
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Doctor on a Helicopter
Joined: 27 Nov 2006
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Location: Primrose Hill
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| Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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Sometimes however living in this country I want to cover as I become tired of Turk men leering glances and comments. All yabanci women get this living here I believe. It gets old. I like to be anonymous sometimes. |
Is that true? I've heard this before from a yabanci woman who was one of the most unattractive women I had ever come across. I just couldn't believe her. I wondered if this was due to her feeling of racial/economic/social superiority because she was a white affluent Australian and she was referring to the relatively dark skinned, uneducated, poor Turkish men. You know the types I mean... those who hang around 'men only kahve's, not the types who go to Babylon.
UYW of Istanbul, I'd like to hear your views on that. |
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dmb
Joined: 12 Feb 2003
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| not the types who go to Babylon. |
I don't go to Babylon. Does that make me a Maganda? |
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Baba Alex
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| not the types who go to Babylon. |
I don't go to Babylon. Does that make me a Maganda? |
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tararu
Joined: 07 May 2006
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| My weight fluctuates a bit. I have noticed that even when l look like a big fat dowdy cow men have a perve. |
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dagi
Joined: 01 Jan 2004
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| Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:16 pm Post subject: Rola |
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"and for your information a man has to cover also... not as much due to the fact that a female body and hair etc. tend to be more attractive then some male parts... "
Comments like this just make me barf, really. How can this sound like men and women are equal?!
I wonder what drugs you are on, when I read the rest of your posts. Sounds rather brainwashed to me. There is no religion that treats men and women equal. Full stop.
And my aversion with covering up has nothing to do with Islam. Jewish Orthodox women shave their hair off, then put on a wig and in case that looks to real e.g. attractive they cover their head with a hat or headscarf. That sounds pretty dumb to me, too.
However, I hope you will realise how oppressive religion is for women one day.
Until then I still vote for a TROLL post cause the whole thing sounds like a thrifting alter ego. |
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dagi
Joined: 01 Jan 2004
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| As for the staring, making comments etc., since I still don't speak turkish I simply have no idea if men are making comments towards me. I don't hear, I don't understand. Sometimes ignorance is a real bliss! |
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Doctor on a Helicopter
Joined: 27 Nov 2006
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| I don't go to Babylon, either, and I hope that doesn't make me a maganda. But sometimes I go to Roxy and there is a 'rock party' there tonight, 60s, 70s music. The PR guy there is my student, and if you come and say 'I'm feeling supersonic, give me gin and tonic', you may get in free. |
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runeman
Joined: 28 Nov 2006
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Otterman Ollie wrote:
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| ,their inability to be what they are ,female,femine to be admired |
I don't know who else finds such a comment sexist and chauvinistic, but I do. He wants to look at your pretty pretty hair, ladies! Please oblige Otters by discarding this
and have your hairs dyed and styled to pleasing to men, otherwise you will be
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; and don't forget to leer at him lasciviously. It makes him feel so masculine!
In the town where I was born (in the North of England) in the fifties, practically every woman would put on her headscarf when she went out to work or to the shops. It was a normal part of their attire. Men wouldn't dream of going out without their head uncovered either, usually with a cloth cap. Fashions change with time. Now in the same area of England it's fairly rare to see a young woman in a headscarf or a man in a cap, generally because it's 'unfashionable'. Actually, there were/are good reasons for covering the head - to protect it from the sun and rain, and to keep it warm when it's cold.
I was brought up a church-going Roman Catholic, and it was obligatory for women to cover their heads when entering a church, (maybe it still is,) and the nuns of that religion (Mother Teresa for example) are/were always covered. (You wanna admire the 'holy' Christian sister's lovely female feminine hair, Mr. Ollie? You wanna say "Off with the wimple!?") |
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FGT
Joined: 14 Sep 2003
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Location: Turkey
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Secularism, something I think is quite nice actually.
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To which I respond: Secularism is nice but Kemalism isn't always. They are not the same.
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| Sometimes however living in this country I want to cover as I become tired of Turk men leering glances and comments. All yabanci women get this living here I believe. It gets old. I like to be anonymous sometimes. |
I'd say, yes, in Turkey there are some piercing glances, NOTHING LIKE what you get in an Arab country. Many years ago when I visited Tunisia with my mother I remember thinking I'd prefer to be anonymous under a tent or similar. Also, when in Syria, I really disliked men's attitudes to women.
My opinion is twofold:
1) We live in this country as guests and should respect the local mores.
2) It's a pity that women (and others) aren't free to practice whatever they wish, as long as it doesn't hurt others. What harm does it do to wear a headscarf? None. The harm is in the prohibition. Do not assume that all women wearing the hijab are oppressed and forced into it. I can understand that some/most may make that choice of their own accord.
What are your views on (male) circumcision? This is also a symbol of religion (usually). Are the "victims" coerced/forced into doing it or is it their choice? Perhaps we should be disputing this. It is rarely an adult decision (except as a parent to inflict it on his child)! |
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lovelace
Joined: 26 Jul 2006
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Yes, the circumcision issue is a tricky one...I think at least one poster is pregnant. Not sure if you're married to a Turk or he's a Muslim or anything. But if you are, and he is, what will you decide if it's a boy? Hope not too personal a question.
And the leering and letching has nothing to do with attractiveness. Sometimes it may be simple curiosity ('Oh, I never saw someone with black skin/red hair etc before), sometimes it's 'She's not Turkish, she's not going to mind me feeling her up on the bus'. And Turkish women do get unwanted attention too, but it seems Turkish men do this much more surreptiously 'cos a Turkish woman is much more respectable, you see. |
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yaramaz
Joined: 05 Mar 2003
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Location: Not where I was before
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| Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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| and Turkish girls have brothers in the country who might whup his sorry sapik ass if she calls him on it. |
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Laura777
Joined: 13 Apr 2004
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Location: Istanbul Turkey
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Regarding the leering glances especially in Istanbul it happens often and sometimes I confront the men with what are you looking at... in turkish. It usually stops them. In Ankara its not so common they seem to be better educated. I ONLY mentioned that aspect of wanting to cover because if I cover then, they deem me a respectable Muslim woman and know I am not available. Also they think me a Turk. Or from a middle eastern country. Some people have thought me Persian...  Because of the way I wear my headscarf.
Yes some woman choose to cover for political reasons, but I wouldnt classify them as the majority.
I choose not to wear a headscarf as part of my daily routine because I do not view it as essential to my being a Muslim. I can practice my faith with out being covered. As I stated before you only need to cover when in prayer. |
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