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PlayadelSoul
Joined: 29 Jun 2005
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Location: Playa del Carmen
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A month lonng training period is pretty standard for any job, in this area. There is a bonus attached to that training period. I would never lock myself into hiring someone before I see how they perform in class, with real students. A CELTA certification is impressive but it is does not bestow a personality on the holder. As we are a business, it is imperative that we not only have qualified teachers but they must also possess people skills.
Anyone moving to any part on Mexico in order to teach, should have enough money in the bank to survive for a minimum of 3 months, IMHO. |
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MELEE
Joined: 22 Jan 2003
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Location: The Mexican Hinterland
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I'm with Tim, I don't think it's odd at all, knowing where it's coming from. I recommend to newbies, if you don't know whether or not you want to teach long term, apply at HH. They will train you, to teach in their style so a CELTA would be overkill. After six months or a year, when you are ready to move on, if you want to continue teaching, then go and get your CELTA, so you can learn other methods and get a better job.
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PlayadelSoul
Joined: 29 Jun 2005
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Location: Playa del Carmen
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| Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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I'm with Tim, I don't think it's odd at all, knowing where it's coming from. I recommend to newbies, if you don't know whether or not you want to teach long term, apply at HH. They will train you, to teach in their style so a CELTA would be overkill. After six months or a year, when you are ready to move on, if you want to continue teaching, then go and get your CELTA, so you can learn other methods and get a better job.
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I think you have an outdated view of HH, MELEE. You won't get to the interview stage unless you have some sort of TESL certification. As for better jobs, there are very few that pay as well as we do and even fewer that can offer enough hours to pay the bills. If it makes you feel better, however, you can keep looking down on us.
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MELEE
Joined: 22 Jan 2003
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Location: The Mexican Hinterland
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| Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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| As for better jobs, there are very few that pay as well as we do |
Huh?
A well qualified teacher should be taking home at least 10,000 pesos a month these days with "todos los prestaciones de la ley", and those jobs are not that hard to come by, for well qaulified teachers that is. |
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MikeySaid
Joined: 10 Nov 2004
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Location: Torreon, Mexico
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| Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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| They will train you, to teach in their style so a CELTA would be overkill. After six months or a year, when you are ready to move on, if you want to continue teaching, then go and get your CELTA, so you can learn other methods and get a better job. |
Where does everyone get the money to just pony up for a CELTA after six months or a year living here or there? I'm assuming you'd have to be without income for the duration of a CELTA and if you're living away from home and it's not where you were teaching for 6 months to a year... you have to fork over the $$ to get there. Is ESL/EFL teaching in Mexico a job for rich kids and those who have trust funds helping them out?
Do I just need to be really frugal and put 5k in the bank before venturing out? More? Less? |
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PlayadelSoul
Joined: 29 Jun 2005
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Location: Playa del Carmen
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| Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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As I alluded to above, if it helps your self-esteem to think you are "better than", knock yourself out.
10,000 a month plus bonuses is a starting salary. |
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Guy Courchesne
Joined: 10 Mar 2003
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Location: Mexico City
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| Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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Weird debate going on there...
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| Do I just need to be really frugal and put 5k in the bank before venturing out? More? Less? |
5k is more than enough, in whatever capacity you come to Mexico. I think 2k has been the general consensus on the forum for awhile now.
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Where? At HH? |
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PlayadelSoul
Joined: 29 Jun 2005
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Location: Playa del Carmen
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| Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 12:06 am Post subject: |
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| 10,000 a month plus bonuses is a starting salary. |
Where? At HH? |
At mine, for a full time teacher, yes. |
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Guy Courchesne
Joined: 10 Mar 2003
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Last time I checked with an HH - in Acapulco - they were paying 25 pesos per hour, two years ago. I'm surprised to hear one can earn 10,000. On a 40 hour week, that is 83 pesos per hour. Are the HHs different around the country?
And no one from IH ever comes by? Now that is weird...I'm more confused than ever, about both IH and HH now.  |
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Samantha
Joined: 25 Oct 2003
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Location: Mexican Riviera
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| When I first moved to Mazatlan we had a Harmon Hall here. They asked for an FM3 and a qualification test prior to accepting foreign teachers. The pay wasn't very high per hour but then that was ages ago. Sadly, they went out of business and another hasn't materialized. Any students I encountered who had studied there quite liked it. I wonder how much a franchise like that costs? I think the concept is good and obviously it is very good in Playa del Carmen! The time I paid a visit they were all running around wearing buttons that said "English Only" or something similar. |
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saraswati
Joined: 30 Mar 2004
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Harmon Hall is a franchise and as such salaries vary from city to city. Franchisees who value their teachers and their reputation will pay a living wage, at least. Playa del Carmen is an expensive place to live; evidently the owner there has taken cost of living into consideration when determining base salary. I'm not surprised it's $10,000. a month for a full-time teacher.
The world...she is a-changin' and so is HH. For years HH has been considered a good place to "get your feet wet." I'm not here to change anyone's mind about that but, as has been mentioned in other posts, Migracion demands a TEFL certificate in some cities. Playa del Carmen and Oaxaca are two of those. So...it's not a far leap that HH requires a TEFL certificate in certain areas.
I help place teachers in five HH schools in Southern Mexico and I too ask that applicants have a TEFL cert. |
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cwc
Joined: 16 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:21 pm Post subject: from troll to lurker |
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| And if cwc were to come back |
Still here, planning X-mas in a palapa by the Gulf. I think our week of winter has passed. |
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sickbag
Joined: 10 Jan 2005
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Location: Blighty
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Hey, if there's jobs going at 10 000 plus in Playa del Carmen then I'm in.
Just let me know where and when. |
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Guy Courchesne
Joined: 10 Mar 2003
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Location: Mexico City
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| sickbag wrote: |
Hey, if there's jobs going at 10 000 plus in Playa del Carmen then I'm in.
Just let me know where and when. |
Therein lies the rub...I don't think it's going to be jobs, but rather, job. I don't think it's right to leave the impression on the forum here that Playa is teeming with such jobs. It isn't at all, and people should note that before spending a bunch of money to park themselves there while they turn over every rock trying to find it. |
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ls650
Joined: 10 May 2003
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Location: British Columbia
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A former teacher from here is currently working in PdC. She's found a bunch of piece-meal work and is paying her rent and bills, but that's about it. She's thinking of working in a hotel there because she can make more money doing that than teaching!
I should point out that this is also someone with a bachelors, a CELTA and about 6 years of full-time experience teaching in both Japan and Mexico.
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