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kev7161



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Location: Suzhou, China

PostPosted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Generous? Yes. A Christmas blessing? To be sure. Helpful and kind? Without a doubt.

However, I have to question why these messages about offering the loan, the amount, the fact that it has now, indeed, been deposited, and other such messages are being done publicly and not through PMs. If you're looking for an "atta boy" Malsol, well . . . .

Atta boy!!!

Merry Christmas.
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Malsol



Joined: 06 Mar 2006
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Location: Lanzhou

PostPosted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kev7161 wrote:
Generous? Yes. A Christmas blessing? To be sure. Helpful and kind? Without a doubt.

However, I have to question why these messages about offering the loan, the amount, the fact that it has now, indeed, been deposited, and other such messages are being done publicly and not through PMs. If you're looking for an "atta boy" Malsol, well . . . .

Atta boy!!!

Merry Christmas.


Blame the PM function that rarely works for me.
Blame the need for effective and immediate communication with Milo.
Blame my desire to remain anonymous so no emails or phone.

Why help Milo, someone I do not even know?

For the right to shame all of you here at Dave's who are so free with your advice but rarely lift a finger to help a colleague in trouble.

Free advice is worth exactly what you pay for it, nothing.
As the doctors argued over the appropriate treatment, the patient died.

Most posters here at Dave's never gave a rip about Milo, they just aired their own opinions to show how much they know, which is so very little.

I was taught to never look the other way when someone needs help and you are able to give it.

As to your Merry Christmas, I am Jewish so Ba Humbug to all of you.
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milo baggins



Joined: 16 Dec 2006
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Malsol, I was so sad to hear your negativity about Christmas. And that negativity was not because it is commercialized, which it sadly is. And not because it is the wrong date, as Christ was born sometime in the Spring. You are negative because you are Jewish.

How tragic. And how ironic. So very many Jews waited hopefully for the promised Messiah. Hope in the coming Messiah helped them through many terrible things. Then, finally, he arrived, heralded by angels. The son of David. A Jew. But he did not come as expected. God rarely works in the way we expect, or in the way we would choose.

He came humbly.
And because He came humbly, He was missed by most.
And He is only found by those who will humble themselves.

Malsol, you expressed disappointment with some of those who frequent this site. Imagine God's disappointment, His anguish, about those who misunderstood His sacrifice for them. He gave the One Who was most precious to Him to suffer and die unjustly, only to be rejected by so many of those that He had created, and chosen, and loved so much.

Malsol, I hope that you will take a closer look at that Jewish baby, born in a manger, sacrificed on a cross. Forget the perversion that "Christianity" has too often become. Forget the Christians, who are only, after all, as imperfect as anyone else, save by the grace of God. Look only at the promised One, the One who loves you. He does not deserved anything but your sincere desire for the truth. Seek ye the Lord, and He shall be found.

You have reached out to me with charity. I reach out to you, too, imperfectly, but as best I can. Shalom, my friend.
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poopsicola



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 3:22 pm    Post subject: Ingratitude Reply with quote

My God! Talk about biting the hand that feeds you!
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vikdk



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Malsol, I hope that you will take a closer look at that Jewish baby, born in a manger, sacrificed on a cross. Forget the perversion that "Christianity" has too often become. Forget the Christians, who are only, after all, as imperfect as anyone else, save by the grace of God. Look only at the promised One, the One who loves you. He does not deserved anything but your sincere desire for the truth. Seek ye the Lord, and He shall be found.

Milo - I hope you kept this breed of dogmatic sentiment out of the classroom - I also don't think its that welcome in a teachers forum either - a lot of us here really dont want the FT to be lumped together with this kind of rhetoric Laughing
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I was taught to never look the other way when someone needs help and you are able to give it.

Malsol - an important reality check for you - Dave's is a virtual world - if you want to to find real-life cases of need, over which you can instantly judge true or false - well Chinas streets are littered with them. I for one think your energies could be better spent warning newbies that money is important here - if merely as a protective insurance against the kind of treatment milo apparently suffered. Ya know - newbies, dont go skint - and make sure you have a adequate supply of money if you ever need to buy yourself a get out of jail card Exclamation

This thread has spooked out to be one of the weirdest of the year - Happy Christmall all
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Malsol



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Malsol - an important reality check for you - Dave's is a virtual world - if you want to to find real-life cases of need, over which you can instantly judge true or false - well Chinas streets are littered with them. I for one think your energies could be better spent warning newbies that money is important here - if merely as a protective insurance against the kind of treatment milo apparently suffered. Ya know - newbies, dont go skint - and make sure you have a adequate supply of money if you ever need to buy yourself a get out of jail card


Milo is real enough. His problem is real enough. His need for help is real enough.

He is not the only one I have ever helped. After communicating with him, I now understand why he got into trouble with his school. But knowing it was 98% his ignorance, stupidity and pigheadedness, does not make his problem go away.

"Weird" thread? Look around, weird world.
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vikdk



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But knowing it was 98% his ignorance, stupidity and pigheadedness, does not make his problem go away

In certain respects I'm sure giving someone a handout also doesn't really help - finding them a job so thay can start anew - well that's a whole different ballgame.
But if that the person in trouble wants to go through the "luxury" of obtaining some kind of ethical closure to their employment problem instead of biting the bullet and admitting that they really haven't built up those resources to tackle this perticular kind of situation - well they must be glad there are Malsols about - even if they do seem a little picky over the their benefactors religous persuasions.
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Malsol



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 1:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vikdk wrote:
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But knowing it was 98% his ignorance, stupidity and pigheadedness, does not make his problem go away

In certain respects I'm sure giving someone a handout also doesn't really help - finding them a job so thay can start anew - well that's a whole different ballgame.
But if that the person in trouble wants to go through the "luxury" of obtaining some kind of ethical closure to their employment problem instead of biting the bullet and admitting that they really haven't built up those resources to tackle this perticular kind of situation - well they must be glad there are Malsols about - even if they do seem a little picky over the their benefactors religous persuasions.


Handout or helping hand?
Bailout or gap funding?

A matter of perspective?

When I read the religious message I laughed and then sent a PM "strongly urging" that it be removed for fear he would become a target of attack. He stated that he had been the target of attack previously and was not worried.

When I explained the problem with the bank he insinuated Chinese banks are bad and failed to acknowledge that he caused my problem through ineffective communications and failing to follow instructions.

Then he blamed his wife for not moving her bank account when they moved to a new Province.
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milo baggins



Joined: 16 Dec 2006
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 2:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The real weakness of these sites, and the threads therein, are that misunderstandings abound. I don't think anyone here is exempt, including myself, but acknowledgements of individual culpability are rare.
As I read through the recent postings, I was tempted to address many of the misunderstandings that were apparent - to me, at least. But I'm not sure that it would be appreciated, or helpful, or, sadly, even desired.
Some here seem to take delight in finding fault. Others thrive on attacking. I wonder sometimes why sites like these, which are designed to help, even attract such as these.
I'm a dreamer. An idealist. I envision a world where people are honest with each other. A society (even online) where all desire to build up, and encourage, and motivate each other in positive directions.
Am I naive? Only if I'm surprised when confronted with dishonesty or meanness or such.
For those who share a desire for such a positive environment, I would encourage you first of all to question every assumption you make when reading each post, and respond with gentleness and a true desire to help.
Unfortunately, those who are so inclined are not likely to be the ones who need it. And "blind spots" wouldn't exist if we were aware of them.

So, once again, I thank each of you for your input, whether inaccurate or on-the-spot, and I will keep you posted as to the outcome of my situation.
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Malsol



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 2:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Milo:

Early on I suggested that you were acting like a Wild West Cowboy in China. Maybe that was in your prior thread that has been locked.

Now, I believe that more than ever.

You have been working in China, illegally I might add, for less than one year, and already you have a local Chinese wife who you removed from her native Southwestern Province to a Northeastern Province.

You blame the Chinese way of doing things for your problems. Or, you blame poor communications with your wife.

I imagine she is half your age and her English is very poor.

You blame your school leaders but it was you who made demands on them and then insulted them. (Sort of like the way you insulted me after I did my best to help you.)

In your original thread you posted your understanding of Chinese law as if it was gospel. In fact, you were dead wrong.

I strongly urged you to delete your religious message but you defiantly refused. You said you could take the heat and that you had not posted anything wrong.

I asked you to read the off topic thread "A Chinese Bank Transaction"
You said you would. This is the story of how much trouble I went to on your behalf. (Not a single word of appreciation from you.)

I have absolutely no regrets in helping you in this time of need.

But, YOU ARE ACTING LIKE A WILD WEST COWBOY IN CHINA.

CHINA WILL NOT CHANGE TO SUIT YOU. AND IF YOU DO NOT ALLOW CHINA TO CHANGE YOU, YOUR TROUBLES ARE JUST BEGINNING.
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Malsol



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

YOU GAVE ME YOUR REAL NAME AND EMAIL. I have deleted it as I have no need of it. Our business is finished.

You keep asking for my real name and email. I don't trust you with it.
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