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Can you become a Teacher-Trainer in Japan?
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tanuki



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 2:32 pm    Post subject: Can you become a Teacher-Trainer in Japan? Reply with quote

Hi there!

I have a question about becoming either a CELTA or Trinity Trainer in Japan: Is it possible?

If so, where? Names of places you would both recommend or NOT recommend--and why, of course--would be greatly appreciated?

And, yes, I meet all the UCLES requirements. I'm not some frustrated 22y.o. college grad asking the same old question I've seen a hundred times on these boards: "Hey, dudes... the ekaiwa, likes, totally sucks ass, man, and, like, yeah, um.... I don't even have one of those SILTA things'n'that, right, but, um... hey... I wanna go teach at a university. YEAH!!! That's where I hear the BIG BUCKS are, eh! And the babes... WRAAAAWK ON! Think about the babes... *squidge* But, hey, man, um, like why do I keep getting knocked back? How can I get in, homies?"

No, my friends, I'm a Lifer too. So if you can help me out, that'd be greatly appreciated. It's time for me to step up.

Cheers!
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tanuki



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 2:48 pm    Post subject: Now that I think about it... Reply with quote

P.S. If you know of any other professional CELTA and Trinity Teacher-Training centres not in Japan (I know there are some places in Thailand, for example, where you can do a CELTA so maybe you can become a trainer at some of these too???) but are worth considering, then please feel free to add those to the list too. I'll check 'em all out and post back here with a summary and comments so that anyone else who's interested in taking this path anytime soon can check 'em all out too!

Thanks.
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kdynamic



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haha he said *squidge* !!


Sorry I have no useful information to add.
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womblingfree



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The CELTA and Trinity have almost no presence in Japan. Having a CELTA or TEFL really makes no difference here as far as employability goes. If anything it's viewed as a negative by the large eikaiwa.

Having said that there are a few places that offer them at extortionate prices so I presume they need trainers.

To find out where just type CELTA Japan into Google Rolling Eyes
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rai



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Language Resources offers CELTA courses in Tokyo and Kobe. I think if you work for them you also have to teach corporate classes and stuff. They seem like nice folks.

http://www.languageresources.org/
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furiousmilksheikali



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a useful page for information on CELTA/DELTA.

http://cambridgeesol-centres.org/centres/teaching/index.do

But, if you don't have a CELTA yet you should be aware that you won't be a teacher trainer for at least a couple of years. You need to do two years post-CELTA teaching before you are eligible for admittance to a DELTA course. You'll need a DELTA to teach CELTA to others.
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womblingfree



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

furiousmilksheikali wrote:
This is a useful page for information on CELTA/DELTA.

http://cambridgeesol-centres.org/centres/teaching/index.do

But, if you don't have a CELTA yet you should be aware that you won't be a teacher trainer for at least a couple of years. You need to do two years post-CELTA teaching before you are eligible for admittance to a DELTA course. You'll need a DELTA to teach CELTA to others.


I believe you need a CELTA teacher-training certificate on top of the DELTA, and that you can only do this after you have enough hours post-DELTA.

There's also a DELTA extension module recently been introduced as the British government deemed that a DELTA was insufficient for language teachers working in the public sector.

All available at a price of course!
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is a DELTA really necessary to teach the CELTA? I thought a postgraduate diploma would substitute for one.
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tanuki



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 8:56 am    Post subject: Okay, let me set out the question again... Reply with quote

Hey y'all

Thanks for your responses; but it seems some folks didn't read the question carefully. Yes, I know we're all busy little beavers reading seventeen posts in as many tabs, but I know what I need to become a CELTA Trainer and, yes, I more than qualify to do so in terms of my credentials and experience.

In case you're wondering what it requires, however, go to:

http://www.cambridgeesol.org/about_us/faqs/celta_trainers_faqs.htm

which is, in fact, connected to the link that Furious gave (although I think he may have misunderstood my side-splitting piece of irony in the OP).

My original question, then, was a perhaps "too veiled" attempt to get anyone on this board who has actually become a CELTA or Trinity TRAINER (read that again: TRAIN....ER) at one of the (very small!) handful of places it might be possible to do so in Japan to comment/pass judgement from personal experience.

The lists of all CELTA and Trinity centres are, indeed, freely available on their respective websites, but I was rather hoping someone might be able to offer a recommendation or ... whatever the opposite of recommendation is (English fails me at this moment! Ha!)... a NON-recommendation (???) without me listing these places and then asking folk to comment; there are plenty of jokers on discussion boards who might write any old crap about some company just for kicks.

Then, as an afterthought, I asked for general recommendations of centres people have become TRAINERS at, whether in Japan or not.

So... if you're not a CELTA or Trinity TRAINER, then I doubt you have anything to post here that I don't already know. Now, that sounds MUCH snippier in "print" than I mean it to be. Nonetheless, should this still upset you, please don't imagine I'm gonna lose a minute's shut-eye.

Rai ... your post was interesting to me. I've heard good things about Lang.Resources from other people too. How is it that "[t]hey seem to be nice folks" to you?

Cheers!
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furiousmilksheikali



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 10:29 am    Post subject: Re: Okay, let me set out the question again... Reply with quote

tanuki wrote:

Thanks for your responses; but it seems some folks didn't read the question carefully.


You didn't ask one question but three. The link I provided was to give you an idea of where the CELTA was available (and therefore where you could teach it) in Japan as you did ask:

Quote:
I have a question about becoming either a CELTA or Trinity Trainer in Japan: Is it possible?


and:

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If so, where?


It also answers this, as far as CELTA goes:

Quote:
P.S. If you know of any other professional CELTA and Trinity Teacher-Training centres not in Japan (I know there are some places in Thailand, for example, where you can do a CELTA so maybe you can become a trainer at some of these too???)


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there are plenty of jokers on discussion boards


Yes, tanuki, there certainly are.

Anyway, I am sure I am not supposed to be responding to your thread but even if you get upset you can be sure I won't be losing a minute of shut-eye.

A tip:

Quote:
Thanks for your responses; but it seems some folks didn't read the question carefully.


Maybe you should write your posts a little more carefully. Perhaps you could have clearly stated you want people to tell you their own experiences as a CELTA/Trinity trainer in Japan instead of all that babble you amused yourself with.

Cheers!
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tanuki



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fair call... in places, Furious.
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taikibansei



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tanuki, as the lack of pertinent responses suggests, you have a rare combination of certification and work experience for this board--indeed, for Japan. Querying on Gaijinpot as well might increase your chances:

http://www.gaijinpot.com/bb/

Womblingfree, however, is spot on--few people in Japan know about CELTA/DELTA, and fewer care. Hence, you're really talking about a niche market. Still, I can't imagine there being that many qualified trainers in this country; hence, the advice you've been given--e.g., to use Google and apply directly--is actually quite helpful. Indeed, this is one of the few times I'd recommend cold mailing your CV (at least to anywhere not an eikaiwa). The few openings here would need to be filled immediately...and they'd be tough to fill normally.

Good luck.
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tanuki



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:29 am    Post subject: learning to read Reply with quote

Hey y�all

By the time I took one last peek at the board late last night�and found Furious�s response to my second post�I was already well-tired so I called it quits. However, now that I have more time, I feel I should offer my apologies to the first three posters to give info (womblingfree, rai, and furiousmilksheikali); Furious was right in saying that I hadn�t followed my own advice re: reading posts clearly. Embarassed It seemed to me that the discussion jumped immediately to me wanting to DO a CELTA in Japan and what the requirements to become a trainer are.

However� once I�d re-read them, I could see where you were all going. I thought the thread had veered off somewhere else right from the outset. So thank you for your original links and comments--regardless of whether I knew this already; how were you to know that?

It�s also true that the original post was not worded clearly: an oft-needed reminder whether you�re a newbie or an old hack on these boards, I guess. The original post was not so much requesting info on where to become a CELTA trainer as recommendations/non-recommendations.

Thanks also to taikibansai for the most recent post.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No problem tanuki, good luck with your job hunt.
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womblingfree



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gordon wrote:
Is a DELTA really necessary to teach the CELTA? I thought a postgraduate diploma would substitute for one.


Yes a recognised postgraduate diploma or DELTA is necessary.

I'm not sure what they mean by 'postgraduate diploma' though. The only ones I can think of apart from the DELTA would be a PGCE in ESOL/EFL, or a BA/Bed in TEFL with the required amount of observed teaching assessment.

i don't think there are any recognised 'private' diplomas except the DELTA?

Anyhow if it's a choice between a PGCE/Bed or a DELTA then I'd go for the former every time as they are far more useful and have relevance outside the world of TEFL. A DELTA doesn't doesn't confer qualified teaching status but the others do.
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