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Malsol
Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 1976 Location: Lanzhou
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Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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Milo stated in his OP:
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| Finally, let me say to those who are considering teaching in China: In the summer of 2006, new laws were enacted to prevent anyone from working for pay in China without a "Z" visa, and though it has been a grey area for a long time, I would not recomment anyone coming without the "Z" visa and a college degree |
No such new laws were enacted in the summer of 2006.
In fact, there are no such laws.
SAFEA has, for over 20 years, made these reccomendations. That is all they are, reccomendations, not binding, not regulations, not laws. It has never been a grey area. Each Province is free to interpret and implement the SAFEA suggestions as they see fit. |
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jeffinflorida

Joined: 22 Dec 2004 Posts: 2024 Location: "I'm too proud to beg and too lazy to work" Uncle Fester, The Addams Family season two
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Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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| I have been away on a vacation of sorts. 21 days of first class treatment in a 3rd class Chinese hospital. The stories I may share .... Dave may not allow all of them! |
An overdose of the Little Blue Pill or just bad counterfits...? |
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Joe C.

Joined: 08 May 2003 Posts: 993 Location: Witness Protection Program
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Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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Milo stated in his OP:
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| Finally, let me say to those who are considering teaching in China: In the summer of 2006, new laws were enacted to prevent anyone from working for pay in China without a "Z" visa, and though it has been a grey area for a long time, I would not recomment anyone coming without the "Z" visa and a college degree |
No such new laws were enacted in the summer of 2006.
In fact, there are no such laws.
SAFEA has, for over 20 years, made these reccomendations. That is all they are, reccomendations, not binding, not regulations, not laws. It has never been a grey area. Each Province is free to interpret and implement the SAFEA suggestions as they see fit. |
What are you two talking about?
If Milo is implying that prior to 2006 it was legal to work on anything other than a "Z" visa, he is sorely mistaken. Though many foreigners in China do work on "F" or "L" visas, it is not, nor has it ever been, legal.
Also, SAEFA has nothing to do with suggesting which type of visa allows one to work just as each province is not free to interpret or implement which visa other than a "Z" may be used for employment purposes. |
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milo baggins
Joined: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 29 Location: China
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Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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I have no problem with Malsol printing that pm. The only reason I didn't is that I didn't wish at that time to broadcast his distortions.
Hopefully he won't mind either that I bring out the pm he wrote me after I wrote the Christmas message to him. The one that so [/i]offended him. I still have no idea what to make of it in light of subsequent postings.
Brother:
I strongly urge you to remove your last post while you still can. Otherwise, you will become flasme bait for all of the anti-Christian posters at Dave's. and there are many.
My last post was a troll to catch the attention of the big talkers who never do anything but talk.
I would never wear my personal relationship with my Lord Jesus on my sleave in this forum.
Take care
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Joe C.

Joined: 08 May 2003 Posts: 993 Location: Witness Protection Program
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Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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| jeffinflorida wrote: |
| Malsol wrote: |
| I have been away on a vacation of sorts. 21 days of first class treatment in a 3rd class Chinese hospital. The stories I may share .... Dave may not allow all of them! |
An overdose of the Little Blue Pill or just bad counterfits...? |
Yo, Jeff. It wasn't the Little Blue Pills. Someone did a Lorena Bobbitt on our poor little MaTroll and they needed to surgically reattach it.
Probably only took two stiches.  |
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jeffinflorida

Joined: 22 Dec 2004 Posts: 2024 Location: "I'm too proud to beg and too lazy to work" Uncle Fester, The Addams Family season two
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Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Joe C ...my new favorite poster !!!!! |
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Joe C.

Joined: 08 May 2003 Posts: 993 Location: Witness Protection Program
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Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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| ماجستير في رسالة المضايقه و ميلو يا اثنان كلبات ولكم الخيط هو اداة! |
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Malsol
Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 1976 Location: Lanzhou
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Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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The point was that Milo's statement about the amendment to the Chinese law was bogus. But he was so certain he was right. Stiff-necked acting like a cowboy.
Milo mixed two separate issues. Visa and college education requirements.
Visa law was never "grey" and it was not amended in 2006. A person can legally work in China on an "F" visa for 12 months or less. A Person who works in China on a "Z" visa must obtain an "Expert's Certificate" to obtain their residency permit.
SAFEA suggests a college education and at least 3 years teaching experience.
The Exit and Entry Bureau of the PSB does have local authority to interpret and administer the visa laws as they see fit, on a case-by-case basis.
If Joe C. got out more he would have a greater breadth of experience upon which to base his comments.
The PSB in Jilin will not convert an "L" visa to a "Z" visa. The PSB in Liaoning will make the conversion. In Henan the PSB will convert an "L" visa to an "F" visa and an "F" to a "Z."
SAFEA in Xian will grant an "Expert's Certificate" to a mere high school graduate while Shanghai requires a college degree.
Bottom line, Milo's ignorance, when compounded by his arrogance, resulted in another Western genious trying to change China and failing. Milo crashed and burned because he set the wrong course. |
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Malsol
Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 1976 Location: Lanzhou
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Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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Milo - have you considered what her future will be in the USA?
Mixed couples have a very rought time, even in liberal places like California. Your society will not accept her. She will gravitate to the Chinese community and it will not accept you.
Assume you carve out your own little piece of society, an island. You are going to die much sooner than her. Then what can she expect?
You let your johnson get you into this and you are still not using your big head to resolve it. You ran away from your best chance of happiness with her.
You learned nothing from removing her from her Southwest Province to a Northeast Province. Now you want to remove her from her Country.
Do you honestly believe that she will adjust to the USA easier than you adjusted to China? Why? Your superiority complex and arrogance are working overtime.
So many marriages to foreigners fail that the US passed a law a few years ago that a foreigner who divorced within two years of marriage will be deported. Statistics are against you. Culture is against you, hers and yours. Society is against you. Your Christian community will turn its back on you.
Yes, the world according to Milo is just another misguided reality soap opera show that has been done ad nausium. |
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milo baggins
Joined: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 29 Location: China
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Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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Well, Malsol, we agree on one thing. The world according to Milo, as you have told it, is a sad, terrible story.
Rather like a TV movie-of-the-week: "Inspired by true events", but for the most part, a fiction. A fabrication. You got so many things wrong it almost could qualify as a comedy.
Sorry Malsol, but it just ain't so. |
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Malsol
Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 1976 Location: Lanzhou
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Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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Milo your perception of reality is found in how you handled the emergency contribution.
You received emergency funds to tide you over. When you found that you could do without them, you converted them to your general fund.
You treated them as some kind of entitlement.
You just do not get it. You did not get it in China and you are going to put her through your world in the USA where there are more than 8,000 racial hate groups.
You are 51 so there is no talking reason and logic with you if it goes against your world. So be it. Keep the money. First you said it was still in the bank and then you immediately sent me a PM saying she has used it all for ordinary living expenses since you returned to the USA.
Now that she is without funds, how will you support her and for how long?
She has no education. She has no money. She is a typical countryside girl. Her English is poor. So what is left? Great sex? FOOL! In China you do not have to marry them to poke them. That is truly a Western guilt trip thing. |
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