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Joe C.
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| MaTroll wrote: |
| There can be considerations much more important than the monthly salary. |
Such as not being able to return home because of the outstanding warrants, perhaps?   |
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Malsol
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| Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 11:55 am Post subject: |
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| MaTroll wrote: |
| There can be considerations much more important than the monthly salary. |
Such as not being able to return home because of the outstanding warrants, perhaps? [/quote |
Maybe in your case but I was thinking more in terms of Jerry Brown's psychic dollars etc.
I have experienced the high salary and the grief that comes with it. I much prefer a quiet and peaceful life even if it means a lower salary. |
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TravellingAround
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| Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think such a requirement would ever be actually put in place, unless they up the average FT salary quite considerably to around 20,000 per month. |
The starting salary for teachers in the UK is �20,133 (more in London) which is over 25,000RMB a month and that is before taking in factors such as pension rights etc which are only offered to Chinese teachers. If they want teachers qualified in their own country then they are competing with international schools - no way they can afford to do that all over China!
If China are serious about improving their whole system they would have to match those salaries but they aren't that much bothered (rather get a white face - any white face - on the cheap in many cases) and if more developed nations like Japan don't require that then it is unlikely China will! They can't get enough foreign teachers as it is in most places without wanting them to be way more qualified than the Chinese teachers...after all - can a degree from all Chinese Universities be compared to ones from the west or a teaching certificate likewise? There are some pretty shoddy ones out there.
On an average PGCE course in the UK you can expect a good eighteen weeks of WBE at least usually - certainly enough to at least get over 120 teaching hours although in China there are teaching courses I have known when the students were only on WBE for one single week! I hope these are rare but, even so, four weeks doesn't seem that uncommon. These were viewed as qualified and experienced teachers by the end!
That's not even taking into consideration that many Chinese teachers think FTs get paid way too much as it is...
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nickpellatt
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| Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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I'll be able to add to this post from first hand experience in about 5 weeks time. I fly to Hainan to take up a post for one year, and will be teaching without a degree!
Ill have to hope my employers have good connections at the visa office! |
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winterlynx1
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| Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm getting the message that enforcement is a local decision (like many other regulations). It appears that enforcement is arriving in our area. |
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jammish
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| Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 4:02 am Post subject: |
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| TravellingAround wrote: |
The starting salary for teachers in the UK is �20,133 (more in London) which is over 25,000RMB a month |
I agree with your post, although 20,133 is about 1300 pounds after tax, which is more like 19,000 RMB. Agreed, all in all, though. |
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Joe C.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 4:33 am Post subject: |
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| jammish wrote: |
| TravellingAround wrote: |
The starting salary for teachers in the UK is �20,133 (more in London) which is over 25,000RMB a month |
I agree with your post, although 20,133 is about 1300 pounds after tax, which is more like 19,000 RMB. Agreed, all in all, though. |
25% in tax?
Yuk.  |
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jammish
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| Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 5:00 am Post subject: |
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| Yep, the taxman takes a sizeable wodge in Britain. And it's 40% on anything over 30,000 quid a year. |
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11:59
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| Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Malsol wrote: |
| There can be considerations much more important than the monthly salary. |
Not for those of us with a mortgage in the West and school fees for kids here in HK ($8,000 HK each kid per month) to pay there isn't! |
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Joe C.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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| 11:59 wrote: |
| Malsol wrote: |
| There can be considerations much more important than the monthly salary. |
Not for those of us with a mortgage in the West and school fees for kids here in HK ($8,000 HK each kid per month) to pay there isn't! |
Under different curcumstances, I might think along MalSol's terms, but not now.
I would never work in a university or other public school. |
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Malsol
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| Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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11:59 are you lost? The Hong Kong forum is two blocks South.
We live in two different worlds and little of what we say about the mainland applies in Hong Kong and nothing you have to say about Hong Kong applies on the mainland.
You would be more comfy chatting with others in Hong Kong and so would we appreciate you going home. |
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11:59
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| Sorry to have to be the one to tell you, Masol, but you are not the owner of the forum(s), or even a moderator, and so cannot command people to post or not to post, or decree where they should or should not post. (Now, obviously in your own mind at least you are a self-appointed cultural gatekeeper, but that is neither here nor there and need not concern us sane posters.) Like I say, sorry to have to be the one to break the news, I just hope it doesn't send you over the edge you are quite obviously currently perched on. |
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Malsol
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| Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:25 am Post subject: |
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| 11:59 wrote: |
| Sorry to have to be the one to tell you, Masol, but you are not the owner of the forum(s), or even a moderator, and so cannot command people to post or not to post, or decree where they should or should not post. (Now, obviously in your own mind at least you are a self-appointed cultural gatekeeper, but that is neither here nor there and need not concern us sane posters.) Like I say, sorry to have to be the one to break the news, I just hope it doesn't send you over the edge you are quite obviously currently perched on. |
So sorry you missed my point completely.
What goes on in HK is totally irrelevent to what goes on in the mainland so your comparisons are just boring as all get out. |
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