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Gordon



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

c-way wrote:
Gordon wrote

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I have never found that the post office gives better rates than Lloyds, usually 5 yen higher.


Are you sure you have the decimal right on that, that's a huge difference.


Yes, about a 5% difference.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

womblingfree wrote:
Post office is the cheapest way with the best exchange rate in my experience.

Costs 1000 yen for up to about $1000.


Your experience is out of date.
As Glenski has already stated the cost has gone up 2500yen since mid last year.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For years I'd always used the post office for sending money back (to the UK). I know there were some countries you couldn't use them for sending money to for some odd reason - I recall friends from both New Zealand & Ireland being told to go away.

But personally I always found it the easiest and cheapest way to send money. Dunno if this is anything to do with the impending privatisation, but recently the post office's foreign remittance service has gone right down the toilet. For a start, as a couple of people have mentioned above, they've more than doubled the charge for sending money.

They've also drastically reduced the number of post office branches you can send money abroad from. I used to get excellent service from my local PO, who got to know me fairly well and did all the paperwork very quickly. Then, when they were stopped doing it, at the bigger PO I went to, it was always someone processing the transaction who had never done an overseas remittance before and would take ages asking various other people what to do.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

markle wrote:
womblingfree wrote:
Post office is the cheapest way with the best exchange rate in my experience.

Costs 1000 yen for up to about $1000.


Your experience is out of date.
As Glenski has already stated the cost has gone up 2500yen since mid last year.


Hmm, still not bad for $1000.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

johncanada24 wrote:
I've gone through a couple of old threads on here but I want to make sure nothing has changed in terms of the best and cheapest way to send money from Japan.


I can understand why you might post such a question, but if we really examine the facts, it becomes quite clear that there is no reason for change to occur.

When sending money home, we are essentially doing two things:

1. changing yen to Canadian dollars

2. physically or electronically sending money from Japan to Canada.

In so doing, a number of fees are incurred, some of which are avoidable but others are inescapable.

Inescapable fees:

- the levy charged by a financial institution for converting yen to dollars. It doesn't matter whether you go through a bank, post office, Lloyds or a money exchange counter at an airport, you WILL get charged a premium for changing money. If you are able to find a PURE exchange rate, and compare them to rates posted by money exchange companies or on websites like golloyds.com you will notice a difference.

Effective the time of posting:

Bank of Canada*: 10,000 yen = $96.77 CDN (rate is 103.68)
Lloyds: 10,000 yen = $95.23 CDN (rate is 105.01)


Therefore, compared to the *PURE rate, you are paying a commission of 167 yen for every 10,000 yen converted.

*Using Bank of Canada's "nominal" rate -- which is neither the buying nor selling rate, but an indicative rate representing an estimate of where the rate is at noon on that particular day. It also does NOT represent the "cash rate" which includes the commission taken by a financial institution for performing an exchange transaction. This is typically around 4%.

-transportation fees

Whether it's stuffing your wallet full of bank notes, sending a money order or bank draft, doing a wire transfer, money MUST somehow get from Japan to Canada. This is also never going to be free.

- cost of taking your money home personally: well, unless you are making a trip home ANYWAY, the cost of a flight ticket just to bring money home in a briefcase would be prohibitive, and quite possibly against certain laws governing how much cash money can be brought in or taken out of a country.

- bank draft or money order (the price to issue one varies depending on the bank or financial institution)

- wire transfer (the price for this service also varies)

- deposit fees: also unavoidable... Unless you are indeed carrying a briefcase full of money and walk into a Canadian bank (or put the money under your rug in a house in Canada) every Canadian bank will charge you SOMETHING to accept the money you are sending them.

A note about inescapable fees. Since they are indeed, unavoidable, there is absolutely NO reason for the price of sending money home to change to our benefit. If I KNOW I've got you by the short & curlies, why on earth would I lower my prices? Only free-market factors would affect this, namely: an massive influx of foreigners into Japan, causing a rise in the number of people (and amount of money being sent) to rise dramatically. If this were enough to cause a company like Lloyds to get competition from another company, we MAY, perhaps see a price war and fees go down.

The same goes for the Canadian end. Unless there is a REASON for a Canadian bank to omit fees involved in accepting a draft or transfer from overseas, why would they?

A second note about inescapable fees: Even in the case of Citibank, since we are still dealing with a) currency exchange and b) money changing physical locations -- not just between branches but between countries with VERY different banking systems, fees will still apply. How much? According to their website, it ain't cheap... See my example below.

Escapable fees

Almost not worth mentioning, but it's probably the main speculation that the OP's question is based on so I bring it up here.

- surcharges: many companies or banks don't specialize or WANT to specialize in exchange/sending/receiving money internationally so they tend to charge a premium for such transactions. One such example is the "prefectural bank" in my home prefecture. You may perform any transaction to/from another country, but they'll charge you through the nose!

Conclusion:

If we examine all the unavoidables, add them together, we see that there's not a whole lot that can make the process of sending money home any cheaper than what has been currently available. Short of boarding a plane with all your money in a briefcase, the fees (even though not necessarily standard) will always apply.

Examples (using 10,000 yen):

Via the post office:
(note: MUST be made via money order sent to your Canadian bank because there is no postal savings system in Canada allowing you to send it directly to an account. Therefore, this takes 20-30 days according to the Yucho website).
Amount being sent: 10,000
Remittance charge: 2500 yen
Exchange rate: (couldn't find the cash rate on their website, so I will use the standard figure of prime rate + 4%): 103.68
Amount sent: $69.44
CIBC deposit fee: $10.00
-----------------------------------------
FINAL amount in bank account: $59.44

Via Lloyds:
Amount being sent: 10,000 yen
Remittance charge: 2000 yen
Exchange rate: 105.01
Amount sent: $76.18
CIBC wire transfer deposit fee: $10.00
-----------------------------------------
FINAL amount in bank account: $66.18

Via Citibank: (assuming 2 Citi accounts: 1 in Japan; 1 in Canada)
Amount being sent: 10,000 yen
Remittance charges: (handling charge 2000 yen, electronic transfer fee 2000 yen is discounted to a total of 3500 yen for Citi customers)
Exchange rate: 104.25
Amount sent: $62.35
deposit fee: $0 (already taken into account above)
-----------------------------------------
FINAL amount in bank account: $62.35

Via Shinsei Bank:
Amount being sent: 10,000 yen
Remittance charges: 4000 yen
Exchange rate: 104.32
Amount sent: $57.51
CIBC wire transfer deposit fee: $10.00
-----------------------------------------
FINAL amount in bank account: $47.51

**NB: There is another way to achieve a transfer using Shinsei that would POSSIBLY be much cheaper. However, this would require sending an ATM card to a family member or friend in Canada and having them physically withdraw the money from your Japanese bank account and physically bring it to your Canadian bank... IF there is no remittance charge for THIS, then the number calculations would change as follows:

Amount being sent: 10,000 yen
Remittance charges: 0 yen
Exchange rate: 104.32
Amount sent: $95.86
CIBC deposit fee: $0 (if done at an ATM or in person)
-----------------------------------------
FINAL amount in bank account: $95.86

HOWEVER: This is something that I would phone Shinsei about FIRST before attempting such a thing. Also, this presumes there is someone in Canada whom you trust IMPLICITLY to do the transactions for you.


FINAL CONCLUSION:

At the moment, the cheapest and very fast way to send money home to Canada is Lloyds.

Since Japan's postal system started charging 2500 yen for their remittance service, and given the fact that it can take up to a month to send, it becomes a fairly expensive, slow way to send money home.

Citibank -- they are no different than anyone else. Just because you have a Citi account in North America doesn't mean you will escape remittance, exchange and deposit fees -- you won't.

It seems that there MAY be a small loophole in Shinsei's system, BUT as I mentioned, you need someone on the other end acting as your agent... Also, barring any other fees charged by PLUS (VISA), (their exchange rate is prime plus 4%) Canadian ATMs usually charge a premium for foreign withdrawals, which is usually $1.00 but can be as high as $5.00 for an out-of-country card. Also something worth checking into.

So, I hope this clears up any questions or misunderstandings involved in sending money home (to Canada). If there are any errors, please PM me and I will edit my post to reflect the changes.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 6:18 am    Post subject: Re: What's The Cheapest Way to Send Money From Japan ? Reply with quote

Thanks Jim.
JimDunlop2 wrote:
I can understand why you might post such a question, but if we really examine the facts, it becomes quite clear that there is no reason for change to occur.

(snip of all the useful information and examples)


Posted earlier...before the edit in your original post and the thread title...
canuck wrote:
Nothing has changed.


johncanada24 wrote:

Can you read english?
I've already read these....
These posts date back To July 06 the other one is for the year 2003.
Is it possible that one would think that maybe it's a little outdated ?
I'm simply confirming that this is still the case in Japan since i know nothing about the country's changes in bank tranactions OR how fast it changes.

again.. your giving me what I don't need Rolling Eyes
The emphasis here is change if you didn't understand the first time.
thanks for nothing, you might want to read then understand first before you post..? Rolling Eyes


What's for dinner.... this?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good analysis Jim,

Spoken like a true mathematician.

You only forgot to note in your conclusion that Lloyds is the best way for sending 10,000 yen. However, as the amount of money that you wish to transfer increases, the higher exchange rate that you pay through Lloyds recoups a larger and larger chunk of your money until it at some point it will be more economical to use the option that has the lowest exchange rate, irregardless of the fixed charges.

And for two brownie points, can anyone tell us at what point it becomes more economical to use the citibank option? The post office?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Something I have been doing is purchasing Canadian traveller's cheques at MUFJ Bank, making them payable to myself and signing both signature lines. I send them home. I could send them directly to my bank and have them deposited, but to keep somewhat regular letter writing with the folks, I type up a page or two of what I'm up to, and enclose $500 to $1000 to be deposited into my account to cover a loan and a credit card debit that come out each month. My dad deposits them directly into my account. He doesn't have to sign since they are payable to me and there is no cash involved. So far so good. But, these aren't huge amounts. When I've transferred more, I've gone the bank wire route.

I actually learned this from someone who has been using this method since 1996 and he's never had a problem. But, there's a first for everything... Just putting the idea here as an option you may not have thought of. (Sorry - I haven't read through all the links posted in this thread; perhaps this was already mentioned...)
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JimDunlop2 wrote:
cost of taking your money home personally: well, unless you are making a trip home ANYWAY, the cost of a flight ticket just to bring money home in a briefcase would be prohibitive, and quite possibly against certain laws governing how much cash money can be brought in or taken out of a country.


Just wanted to add a recent experience to this. I made a trip home over the holidays and tried this, thinking I could save a few bucks. I was sadly mistaken. I don't know if this applies in other countries, but in Australia, the exchange rate for buying notes is radically higher than for remittances. As an example, checking today's rate at the Commonwealth Bank, remittances are exchanged at 95.05yen to the dollar, while notes (cash) are bought at 102.09! Needless to say, rather than throw well over a hundred bucks down the toilet, I took it back with me. Embarassed Those *%$# banks have it all covered... Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wabisabi365 wrote:
Something I have been doing is purchasing Canadian traveller's cheques at MUFJ Bank, making them payable to myself and signing both signature lines. I send them home. I could send them directly to my bank and have them deposited, but to keep somewhat regular letter writing with the folks, I type up a page or two of what I'm up to, and enclose $500 to $1000 to be deposited into my account to cover a loan and a credit card debit that come out each month. My dad deposits them directly into my account. He doesn't have to sign since they are payable to me and there is no cash involved. So far so good. But, these aren't huge amounts. When I've transferred more, I've gone the bank wire route.

I actually learned this from someone who has been using this method since 1996 and he's never had a problem. But, there's a first for everything... Just putting the idea here as an option you may not have thought of. (Sorry - I haven't read through all the links posted in this thread; perhaps this was already mentioned...)


Wouldn't it be more efficient to send money through Lloyds, going directly into your account and use internet banking to pay your bills and loans online? Seems like it would remove another person from the equation and would be less of a hassle.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 4:25 pm    Post subject: Re: What's The Cheapest Way to Send Money From Japan ? Reply with quote

canuck wrote:
Actually, you are the one that is really silly. Not only is it you who has trouble reading English, but you also pull this:

johncanada24 wrote:
Last edited by johncanada24 on Tue Feb 13, 2007 6:57 am; edited 1 time in total


johncanada24 wrote:
Last edited by johncanada24 on Tue Feb 13, 2007 6:48 am; edited 1 time in total


Everyone here has also provided you with similar information to what I provided you with. Yet, you insist on firing insults and your typical "newbness." is really showing. It's alright...we're here to help.

johncanada24 wrote:
thanks for nothing, you might want to read then understand first before you post..? Rolling Eyes


What part of
canuck wrote:
Nothing has changed.
did YOU not understand?

johncanada24 wrote:

I've already read these....
These posts date back To July 06 the other one is for the year 2003.
Is it possible that one would think that maybe it's a little outdated ?


The FAQ thread is clearly labeled. What part of "(revised 27 January 2007)" do YOU have trouble understanding? Rolling Eyes



I want information but clearly I don't want it from just you. I get info from multiple sources not from just 1 person. Why should I trust a guy that has no respect for me? Would you trust a guy that has no respect for you?
didn't think so.

As for the edits people do make mistakes obviously your mother might have made one.

The next time your mother says " I loved you " don't correct her grammar. Consider the possibility of truth. Rolling Eyes

And yes I went there.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a Business Paypal Account, would I be able to put money onto my Paypal Account from Japan somehow, then withdraw it into my Canadian Bank Account perhaps?

Trying to figure out how the hell this would work. Anyone?\

Update: I found this page off of PayPal's website, it looks like it might be possible.

https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_display-approved-signup-countries-outside
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JimDunlop2 wrote:


FINAL CONCLUSION:

At the moment, the cheapest and very fast way to send money home to Canada is Lloyds.



The cheapest way of the ways you listed was Lloyd's. Smile

I'm still of the opinion that there are other metods that may be cheaper. Lloyd's charge a percentage, don't they? Some banks do when they recieve a wire transfer (which is all Lloyd's is), so depending on the bank it may escalate the cost when sending larger amounts. The Post Office, in contrast, charge flat rates, making large transfers more cost effective. PO remittance is obviously slower. Other places, such as xe.com, fall somewhere between the two in terms of cost, but are just as fast. (As an aside, because xe.com is a brokerage and not a bank, for Canada and the US they can often deposit directly into the destination account, meaning you avoid all the bank-to-bank handling charges that crop up with your average wire transfer.)
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 9:33 pm    Post subject: Re: What's The Cheapest Way to Send Money From Japan ? Reply with quote

johncanada24 wrote:
Can you read english?
I've already read these....
These posts date back To July 06 the other one is for the year 2003.
Is it possible that one would think that maybe it's a little outdated ?
I'm simply confirming that this is still the case in Japan since i know nothing about the country's changes in bank tranactions OR how fast it changes.

again.. your giving me what I don't need Rolling Eyes
The emphasis here is change if you didn't understand the first time.
thanks for nothing, you might want to read then understand first before you post..? Rolling Eyes


johncanada24 wrote:
I want information but clearly I don't want it from just you. I get info from multiple sources not from just 1 person. Why should I trust a guy that has no respect for me? Would you trust a guy that has no respect for you?
didn't think so.

As for the edits people do make mistakes obviously your mother might have made one.

The next time your mother says " I loved you " don't correct her grammar. Consider the possibility of truth. Rolling Eyes

And yes I went there.




A caveman called. He wants his brain back. Rolling Eyes You come here, directly insult me, act rude and climbed on the newbie high horse and basically aren't willing to say, "I'm sorry. I'm thick. I apologize. I am 100% wrong." Why not? Instead, you continue, in your Cro-Magnon ways litter the forum. Have a nice life.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like a previous poster mentioned, I used to buy travelers' checks at a bank here and send them to my bank in America. I would then send checks to my creditors on accounts due every month. It worked fine for me and I paid off my debts.
Enjoy,
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