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Do you find adult students resistant to games or songs?
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Deconstructor



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It also depends on the teacher's personality. I for one feel totally uncomfortable using songs and games in class. I did t once 12 years ago and that was it. Besides, songs and games are only marginally relevant in learning English.
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cangringo



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Besides, songs and games are only marginally relevant in learning English.


I must respectully and heartily disagree with this. It depends on the students. I think that learning engish songs with the proper tools can be incredibly helpful. I also think that certain games are very good for practice of newly learned language. That was the point we were taught in our course after all, and there must be a reason that people are still using these things.

I don't like all icebreakers and silly games but there are some that are very helpful and amusing and help the students get to know each other and become more comfortable in class. They also tend to help each other more afterwards. I am all for games and songs but keep them relevant to the class and level and make sure the class is receptive of course. I find the running dication, pictionary and charade type games work the best and have the best reception from students.

I think the teacher personality makes a big difference as well. I am a terrible singer but occasionally I will break out with a line from a song and recently found out that everyone here knows "the roof, the roof, the roof is on fire". They joined me and we had a good laugh. Razz
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heh, heh, I was only commenting on singing earlier, but almost all my students like the pictionary 'exercises'! Great puzzlers, using pictures to transmit ideas.
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rusmeister



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was a student on the receiving end (almost 20 years ago!). My 3rd year Russian teacher tried to make us sing an old song (that Russians of her generation might have been nostalgic for) called "Vernisazh". We did the gritted teeth, I took the lesson and never tried to force my adults to sing.

Some do try to sing songs in my class - I leave that up to them. My young teen girls requested and got Celine Dion's "My Heart Will Go On". Some adult songs by famous singers are actually popular among adults - here Frank Sinatra, the Beatles, Queen, etc will all receive serious consideration for attempted karaoke.

If you feel no emotional connection to a song, why would you want to sing it?
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coffeedrinker



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm pointing out the obvious I guess...but you can use songs in class without singing them.

And pictionary is a good point - this is a game that adults (well, almost) everywhere play in their own lives without feeling insulted.
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cangringo



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

whoops I meant to say that about singing...you don't have to sing the song of course. I don't sing it but I use them and find them helpful...unless of course they have a lot of ain't or other language that isn't really used.
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John Hall



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deconstructor wrote:
Besides, songs and games are only marginally relevant in learning English.


Gotta disagree about songs. As a matter of fact, there are many "singing" cultures in the world that have used songs as a way to remember everything from recipes to prayers.

I once saw a television program about a school of herbal medicine in Nepal. The students primarily spent most of their time in the classroom singing the methods for producing their herbal mixtures. Songs are fantastic mnemonic tools.

I have actually gotten quite a few of my students to sing the alphabet song in class. I find that it is extremely useful for enabling Latin Americans to get the letters "A," "E," and "I" right. If one of my students looks at the letter "A" on a page, he or she gets an automatic message in their brain signalling the Spanish "A," which has the same pronunciation as the English letter "E." But if I tell them to think of the alphabet song, which they have all heard before, they automatically get it right. Presto, a chronic problem solved instantly because of a song!
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yaramaz



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not necessarily, because my Turkish beginner claasses have been gorgeous with their alphabet singing and still mix up their As an Ys and Cs and so forth .
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John Hall



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The trick is to get them to be conscious of which letters they get wrong, to get them to stop before saying the problematic letter, recall the song, and then say the letter. Of course, this works better for letters near the beginning of the alphabet. There's too much of the song to recall to get to "Y"!
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