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Neongene
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 Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 1:18 am Post subject: I did it, I applied to NOVA. I feel dirty. |
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Nah just joking. I wasn't really going to apply to NOVA at first but hey, A person who is in my position (WHV + CERT + 3 years college) cannot be picky.
Plus I realized that most of the people who apply to NOVA get over to Japan and then find out that they acutally have to work and its not a 1 year vacation, so i'm going to give NOVA a chance. Plus I could always just find another job.
wish me Luck. |
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Gamushara84
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 1:48 am Post subject: |
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Good luck!  |
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markle
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 2:01 am Post subject: |
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| Don't feel so bad, I nearly took a job with Interac! |
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dove
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 2:55 am Post subject: |
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It's a job, it's a job.
I 've made friends with many Brazilian-Japanese who work in factories. They would change places with you in a heartbeat.
Perspective needed. |
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Neongene
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 3:05 am Post subject: |
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| dove wrote: |
It's a job, it's a job.
I 've made friends with many Brazilian-Japanese who work in factories. They would change places with you in a heartbeat.
Perspective needed. |
Thats exaclty it, a job is a job is a job. There are pros and cons with every job.
I mean, its a Jay oh Bee after all. |
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User N. Ame
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 7:14 am Post subject: |
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| dove wrote: |
| It's a job, it's a job. |
Yes, and there are good jobs and bad ones and really bad ones. A job in itself is not necessarily a good thing, especially in Japan's diverse and increasing ghettoized ESL sector. NOVA and like firms intentionally target overseas prospective employees because they know that once they get them on the hook, and lured in, they are usually a sure catch. Release fish 10 months later, repeat process. With a little extra diligence and research, people like the OP can do better than NOVA. It's not my place to tell him what he should or shouldn't do, just that NOVA is one option among many.
| dove wrote: |
I 've made friends with many Brazilian-Japanese who work in factories. They would change places with you in a heartbeat.
Perspective needed. |
Do those Brazilian-Japanese factory workers have BA degrees like most people employed by NOVA? If yes, what the hell are they doing in factories? If no, I don't see how using this example is relevant at all. |
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dove
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 7:36 am Post subject: |
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It's relevant in terms of keeping things in perspective.
My perspective is different from yours, that's all. I really recommend making friends with people who are not on Specialist in Humanities visas. You will begin to appreciate a lot of things a lot more. |
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User N. Ame
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 8:17 am Post subject: |
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| dove wrote: |
It's relevant in terms of keeping things in perspective.
My perspective is different from yours, that's all. I really recommend making friends with people who are not on Specialist in Humanities visas. You will begin to appreciate a lot of things a lot more. |
Fair enough, but if you suggest that befriending fellow ex-pats of lesser visa status who work in factories is a remedy for better dealing with a lousy ESL job like NOVA, I say it's a bad perspective. The better remedy would be thorough pre-departure research and a lengthy exploration of all one's options. The better context for perspective would to compare NOVA to all other ESL job options, not compare it to factory jobs. That's all. You sound a bit like my grandmother: "eat all those peas on your dinner plate young man, just think of the starving children in Africa...." |
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keister
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 9:15 am Post subject: |
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| User N. Ame wrote: |
| ex-pats of lesser visa status |
I never knew there was a social ranking according to visa. (O.,o) |
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dove
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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| We can't always get the best jobs. We sometimes can't even get a job within the profession we trained for. Sometimes we have to take a job to get our foot in the door, despite thorough research and exploration of all one's options. Hell, sometimes we have to take a job just to put food on the table. If you have ever been in that situation, perspective--from WHEREVER-- can help you get through the day. If you've never been in that situation, well, lucky you. I know I sound like grandma talking. I learned a lot from my grandma. |
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Neongene
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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I really want to work for ECC but in the end, i'm going to Japan come hell or high water so I don't care if I have to work as a human guinea pig at SharpShinyObjects, Inc.
I've had worse jobs. |
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User N. Ame
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| dove wrote: |
| We can't always get the best jobs. We sometimes can't even get a job within the profession we trained for. Sometimes we have to take a job to get our foot in the door, despite thorough research and exploration of all one's options.... |
Point taken. And my point was simply that people thinking of coming to Japan often seem inclined to take the first thing they see. If they miss JET, they turn to NOVA. NOVA's high profile abroad ensures that this company is often the first opportunity people consider. I came across dozens of of NOVA teachers in my time in Japan who said something like: "This job really sucks, I wish I hadn't been so quick to sign on with Nova...."
The good thing in all of this is that your work visa in Japan is a distinct entity. Once you have it, no company can take it away. So if NOVA gets you that foot in the door, you arrive, find that the job is not for you, well, as long as you have enough cash to float for a while, you're entirely within your legal rights to quit NOVA and sell your labour elsewhere. If you enjoy NOVA, more power to you! |
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User N. Ame
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Neongene wrote: |
| I really want to work for ECC but in the end, i'm going to Japan come hell or high water so I don't care if I have to work as a human guinea pig at SharpShinyObjects, Inc. |
And some wonder why real wages in Japan's ESL sector have been dropping steadily over the past 10 years....  |
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Neongene
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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| User N. Ame wrote: |
| Neongene wrote: |
| I really want to work for ECC but in the end, i'm going to Japan come hell or high water so I don't care if I have to work as a human guinea pig at SharpShinyObjects, Inc. |
And some wonder why real wages in Japan's ESL sector have been dropping steadily over the past 10 years.... |
Yes its apparently due to enthusiasm. |
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movinaround
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| Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 3:01 am Post subject: |
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| User N. Ame wrote: |
Do those Brazilian-Japanese factory workers have BA degrees like most people employed by NOVA? If yes, what the hell are they doing in factories? If no, I don't see how using this example is relevant at all. |
I would put good money on that if they had had a chance to get a BA degree (or maybe something more useful than some arts degree), they would have. And for your second sentence, why not? We have doctors driving cabs in Canada. |
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