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upchuckles



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:50 am    Post subject: Residence Permit Issue Reply with quote

If a teacher leaves their post without a letter of recommendation, lets say a private training center in Shandong, because the school wasnt paying on time and was not paying the correct salary. And lets say that person gets a job in Zhejiang or Hunan.

The residence permit runs out in September but the contract term will end in June and the teacher will go home at that time. Is there any problem working on the residence permit if it is valid until september or should one go about trekking to Hong Kong with the new documents and obtaining a z visa there?
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tw



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 8:36 am    Post subject: Re: Residence Permit Issue Reply with quote

upchuckles wrote:
If a teacher leaves their post without a letter of recommendation, lets say a private training center in Shandong, because the school wasnt paying on time and was not paying the correct salary. And lets say that person gets a job in Zhejiang or Hunan.

The residence permit runs out in September but the contract term will end in June and the teacher will go home at that time. Is there any problem working on the residence permit if it is valid until september or should one go about trekking to Hong Kong with the new documents and obtaining a z visa there?


Assuming you were teaching legally in Shandong, i.e. with a FEC, your FEC can only be used for teaching at the language training centre and nowhere else -- especially in another city (not to mention in another province). Also, if you plan to come back to China in the future, you will more than likely need a release letter and/or recommendation letter from your employer in Shandong.
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upchuckles



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, perhaps I should have been more clear. Has anyone had this experience before and/or had a problem obtaining new z visa in Hong Kong with the new invitiation letters from SAFEA and PSB without the letter of release? No speculation please..
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tw



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

upchuckles wrote:
Has anyone had this experience before and/or had a problem obtaining new z visa in Hong Kong with the new invitiation letters from SAFEA and PSB without the letter of release? No speculation please..


If you have the invitation letter then you have nothing more to worry about. The people who usually want to see the release letter are the PSB and/or the Education Ministry before they would release the visa notice and invitation letter.
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cj750



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

what kind of invitation letters did u get from from SAFEA and PSB
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Steppenwolf



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 5:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tw wrote:
upchuckles wrote:
Has anyone had this experience before and/or had a problem obtaining new z visa in Hong Kong with the new invitiation letters from SAFEA and PSB without the letter of release? No speculation please..


If you have the invitation letter then you have nothing more to worry about. The people who usually want to see the release letter are the PSB and/or the Education Ministry before they would release the visa notice and invitation letter.


I disagree!

An UNEXPIRED visa or residence permit must be CANCELLED; to cancel a visa or residence permit you must explain to the P.S.B. why you are leaving before expiry time; without documentary proof that your employer lets you go voluntarily I doubt you can apply for a new visa!
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clomper



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm.. I know it should be cancelled but when I left my teaching job last year in Zhanjiang. I asked my friend to call the PSB and ask if I need to have it cancelled and get a release letter.

The PSB said.. oh it's ok you can still use it in Beijing. I'm not sure if this will apply to you as I left my teaching job for a research analyst position.
The PSB guy knows me as his wife teaches at the school where I was teaching. Smile
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cj750



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have found the same condition..in the last 5 years I have never cancelled a RP(passport)/GreenBook....and I have worked on those papers in other cities where as the papers were not issued (with the PSB's knowledge)...and have never cancelled a visa or an RP when leaving a job...although my employer has never asked me to surrender my RP..
IN my first posting the work unit did not want to issue a letter of release as they didn't want any former workers working for their competitor...I was able to get around that requirement with a Foreign workers Permit ..instead of a FEC..and it also entitled me to a RP..after that, I did not need a release letter for the next position..and when I left that one..I took my RP with me as well as the FEC...and went to work in another city...
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AussieGuyInChina



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I disagree!

An UNEXPIRED visa or residence permit must be CANCELLED; to cancel a visa or residence permit you must explain to the P.S.B. why you are leaving before expiry time; without documentary proof that your employer lets you go voluntarily I doubt you can apply for a new visa!


Last month (February 2007), I left China at Zhuhai with an unexpired F.R.P. in my passport. I got a new visa in Bangkok, Thailand and reentered China, at Zhuhai, with both an unexpired F.R.P. and a new visa in my passport.
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abusalam4



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 11:15 pm    Post subject: Issue Reply with quote

A friend of mine had a similar problem.
She left China for Australia and returned a bit later with a new Z visa.
She said it was no problem.
That is because she was not blaclisted before.
Could therefore work in your case, too.
But there is no guarantee.

BTW: if you have problems with the school and they violate your contract, my advise would be to report it to the Bureau of Foreign Experts in the probince concerned. They can also mediate between you and your employer in such cases. I did this once successfully.

Good luck!
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englishgibson



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 4:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes they sure have that option to mediate there, but can you imagine returning to work there Confused ..and it often takes a lot of effort and energy to deal with such institutions in china ..however, i do agree with you to certain extend there

op, if you have the new "z" with residency permit sticker (for purpose to work) in your passport and have signed the FAO contract (booklet with a serial number in the top corner) than you do need that release letter from the employer who's arranged your visa
assuming you feel uncomfy approachin' the employer (everyone has his/her pride), you might've to follow abusalam's advice from above Wink ...otherwise, i can think of one ...hmm...pm me on that one if you want it

peace to all kinda options in this cruel world
and
cheers and beers to all honest and hard working FTs in china Very Happy
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Steppenwolf



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="AussieGuyInChina"]
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Last month (February 2007), I left China at Zhuhai with an unexpired F.R.P. in my passport. I got a new visa in Bangkok, Thailand and reentered China, at Zhuhai, with both an unexpired F.R.P. and a new visa in my passport.


I take cognizance of your special experience; now are you saying everyone should ignore the red lights and go to Bangkok via Zhuhai?

I once crossed the border from Zhuhai into MFacau on an EXPIRED visa; I fully expected to have to pay 1500 kuai for overstaying...
And I was identified as a culprit by the Immigration woman; my case held up a long line of border crossers, but do you know what?

With a wave of her hand - after negotiating with her supervisor! - they let me through without charging me the mandatory fine...
I would not recommend anyone try to sneak out of China and not be held accountable for overstaying. In the majority of cases you will pay a fine, and if you don't have the dough you might be put in jail; Guangdong has several hundred Nigerian overstayers in jail!
So I was just a lucky guy on that occasion...largely because the Immigration official was careless and unable to speak English!
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