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clark.w.griswald



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bluetortilla you won't be able to get an answer that assures you success in your endeavor to get the best price ticket and secure the most suitable visa as quite honestly the visa issuing authorities are very unpredictable. I think that they like it that way.

The advice that you have been given here seems to me to be good advice. You need sixty days in country if you are going to find work and get the documents prepared. You may need an outbound ticket within that period of time or else the airline check in counter may not allow you to board the aircraft until such time as you do purchase an outbound ticket.

The visa authorities may insist upon seeing an outbound ticket within the visa period or they may not.

Personally, I would purchase a 12 month return ticket and book the return date within 60 days. Yes it is the most expensive type of ticket but it is also the most convenient as you will breeze through the visa application, check in and immigration, and also have the flexibility to head home at any time within one year with free date changes.

Another option is a one way ticket here with an outbound flight to Hong Kong (or somewhere nearby) within 60 days. Again this will get you here without any problems and then you can either use that ticket for a visa run (if you need it), a holiday (if you want it), or cash the ticket in once you get here for a fee.
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bluetortilla



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope this helps somebody else one day.

I finally found, through an agency (No. 1 Travel) that booked me through Korean Air, a 90 day open ticket for around US 700, about twice as much as I thought I'd be paying. As money is something I have very little of, it's rough but it's the best I can do.

I'm just curious- is it the Taiwanese government that is setting these ridiculous prices, the airlines, or both? Are they trying to discourage foreign workers? I thought that native speaking English teachers were all the rage now in Asia.

In Japan, at least in Fukuoka, you'd have very little visa hassles. Of course, the cost of living is extremely high here so you won't save much money, but the Japanese government seems to be welcoming foreigners of every type.

Just though I'd add that for general info.

Thanks folks,

BT
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mlomker



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bluetortilla wrote:
I thought that native speaking English teachers were all the rage now in Asia.


Taiwan is one of the least welcoming but a lot of people, yourself included, seem to want to live there. If fewer people wanted to go there then they couldn't be so difficult.
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SanChong



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Taiwan is one of the least welcoming but a lot of people, yourself included, seem to want to live there. If fewer people wanted to go there then they couldn't be so difficult.


That is certainly an opinion only. I find Taiwan to be extremely welcoming, as do most people I know. Like living in most countries, the way you are treated is mostly a result of the approach with which you treat those around you.
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clark.w.griswald



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bluetortilla wrote:
I'm just curious- is it the Taiwanese government that is setting these ridiculous prices, the airlines, or both?


I guess that this is not a serious question but just in case it is the answer would very likely be no. It would be the airlines who no doubt know where they can profit the most and in the case of open term or long term return tickets they like to protect themselves against future rises.

bluetortilla wrote:
Are they trying to discourage foreign workers?


If you are referring to the Taiwan government I would again have to say no. They certainly don't make it easy for teachers to come here on visitors visas, but they don't make it impossible either. There have been times when you had to leave the country to change a visitors visa into a resident visa, so in that respect things are much better than they used to be.

The government no doubt prefers that if you are coming here to work that you make the arrangements to come on a resident visa for work purposes. There are a lot of hurdles to jump through there and not all employers want to go that way but if the government could dictate the terms more I am sure that this is what they would want us all to do.

No matter which way you come you are going to encounter the visa officials who are renowned worldwide for making things as difficult as they can - in this regard Taiwan is no exception.
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bluetortilla



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank all, you've been extremely helpful. Mostly, as I've mentioned, I've had two things on mind: a master's degree in linguistics and a fiance. Now that the fiance status has been downgraded to girlfriend/let's get to know each other better, I am free to work out of Taipei. Or the mainland. Exclamation

I myself was pretty uneasy about just jumping into new country jobless, though I did get the feeling that I would have gotten something before my visa ran out! The thing is, you need lots of money to jump into Taipei. If I do end up in Taiwan, I think I will get a job outside Taipei before I go!

BT
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Dr_Zoidberg



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 2:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taipei has a lot to recommend it, and certainly the overwhelming majority of foreigners in Taiwan reside there. However, you can have a rewarding experience outside of Taipei, too.
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BigWally



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dr_Zoidberg wrote:
However, you can have a rewarding experience outside of Taipei, too.


Like the reward of having lungs of a 30-year smoker if you live in Kaohsiung!!! Laughing Laughing
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yamahuh



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 3:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="clark.w.griswald]
According to the regulations this is correct but in practice it rarely is enforced. I recommend that new arrivals have a ticket out of the country when they arrive but in most cases no one checks.
[/quote]

Man oh man I wish I'd known that a few weeks ago; I woulda taken my chances instead of losing more hair and developing my ulcer.
We were in Vietnam and didn't want to spend the extra $$'s to book a return to Ho Chi Minh / Hanoi; figured if we might lost the ticket we may as well buy the cheapest one we could find.
We (thought we) couldn't get the tourist visas processed before we had the outgoing flight booked and of course there were time constraints re: the job start date etc.
After a LOT of screwing around; we were trying to get this done during Tet / Spring Festival, we finally managed to book a partially refundable outgoing flight from Taipei to Incheon, S.Korea which was cheaper than flying to Hong Kong.
Soooooo with our tickets in hand we hussled along to the T.E.C.O office to start the visa process.... the guy never even ASKED about our exit flight!!
I almost rammed the tickets down his throat!
Now we're hoping that we don't lose too much cash on the refund.

What a pain in the ass it was getting these visas.
You live and learn...
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bluetortilla



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 3:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, but better safe than sorry. I spent TWICE as much on a 90 day open ticket just to make sure I'd get my 60 days. Now, some really nice guy (or woman) might be behind that corner to issue my visa or maybe not. It could just as well be some by the book type that you have to smile extra hard to avoid enraging him. Well, I'll be going into Taipei pretty much broke (but not without support) but it was the only way that made sense. Get lemons make lemonade I guess.

Boy do I hate nation-states. No offense to any patriots out there.

BT
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craigzy



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i have to make the trip to hong kong soon, and am hoping for a 60 day. for those who are broke, find a travel agent who will sell you a 'ghost' ticket that departs over 30 days so you will have something to show the agent if they ask you for proof youre leaving taiwan, and, a reason for the agent to issue a 60-day...

as for the cash strapped, heres what my run is looking like:

taipei - hong kong, roundtrip (evening flights tend to be cheaper than morning flights - it means youll need a hotel, but youre likely to save more $ in the end. and you can get to the office bright and early looking good): 7700

ho(s)tel: 1000ish

ghost ticket: 600

visitors visa (expedited): 1800

trains, buses, food, other assorted crap (depends on the person, of course) - 1000
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bluetortilla



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow, sounds grim. hope Jah will see me through!

BT
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mep3



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:28 am    Post subject: .. Reply with quote

Here's a couple:


I'll be getting a visitor's visa into Taiwan from Macau.

1. Does it matter WHERE I BUY the tickets for the flights from Macau to Taiwan and out of Taiwan to somewhere else? I mean does it matter at all whether I purchase the tickets in Mainland China or in Macau? As far as TECO Macau is concerned? I'm assuming it doesn't matter, but just incase.. And do I have to worry about the language on the itinerary: English or Chinese? The vocab is pretty simple I guess ("from," "to,"), and I assume they can probably read Chinese or English, so I guess it doesn't matter?

2. Does it matter if the ticket going FROM MACAU TO TAIWAN and the ticket going OUT OF TAIWAN TO SOMEWHERE ELSE AFTER 60 DAYS are PURCHASED ON THE SAME DATE AND/OR IN THE SAME PLACE? Reason I ask is because I've found a good deal I can get on a ticket from Macau to Taiwan if I buy it now. But I haven't figured out yet what I want to do for my ticket out of Taiwan. So if I buy the ticket now in mainland China for the flight from Macau to Taiwan and then buy the one out of Taiwan later somewhere else, does that matter? I'm not talking about the flight dates, just where and when and from whom I purchase them. So it probably doesn't matter but I thought I'd better ask before I buy them..

Thanks .... mep
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mep3



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:30 am    Post subject: .. Reply with quote

Oh, I didn't mean "after 60 days" -- I meant between 30 and 60 days after arriving Smile
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