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Cleopatra



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Abba,

Irony is all vey well and good when - at the very least - you have a perfect command of the language you are attempting to be ironic in. Rather than trying to be witty, do go back and tell me where I mentioned 'the Saudis porters'.[/quote]
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007



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cleopatra wrote:
..Irony is all vey well and good when - at the very least - you have a perfect command of the language you are attempting to be ironic in. Rather than trying to be witty, do go back and tell me where I mentioned 'the Saudis porters'.

Thanks for your remark about my humble English language! You know I am learning.

In Saudi Arabia, usually the Security staff plays the role of a porter.

SO,
�Security staff at any company or organization� = Saudi Porter
�Security staff at any company or organization� = Bengali, Pakistani, or Afghani Porter.


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bje



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Each day I am learning new English words:
�Cleo darling�
�s**ism�
�honey pie�
Etc.


Okay Abba, here's another English word for you: respect. Your sexism (you've learned that word) reflects very poorly on you. In other words, you have demonstrated that you do not respect women, which is evidenced by automatic slurs on female posters.

Ask yourself why you do this.
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Van Norden



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cleo, hope I wasn't out of line with my 'darling' quip? Just having a bit of fun with the language. I'm not Sir Humphrey with his "my dear lady" I can assure you.

As for the issue at hand, I recommend you do as Dubya did - use the google! Stacks of examples of the mutts arresting and detaining people. Usually women and the poor. Disgraceful stuff.

I think we can all agree that the muttawa 'police' moral behaviour in KSA and that they have arrested and detained people in the past and are probably still doing it today (whether accompanied by the real cops or not makes little difference.)

The Beatles wrote:
She was a working girl
North of England way
Now she's hit the big time
In the K.S.A.
And if she could only hear me
This is what I'd say.
Honey pie you are making me crazy
I'm in love but I'm lazy
So won't you please come home.Very Happy
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Cleopatra



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
SO,
�Security staff at any company or organization� = Saudi Porter
�Security staff at any company or organization� = Bengali, Pakistani, or Afghani Porter.


As I've said, sarcasm does not really suit someone whose command of the English language is limited. When I referred to a 'security expert' at my former place of employment, I was not referring to a 'porter' - whatever that may mean in this context. I was referring to the person whose job it is to advise expat staff - which in this institution numbered several hundred - on security issues. This person explicatly told us that the mutaween were not law enforcement officers, had no powers of arrest, and there was no obliation for us to submit our ID to them. Unless, of course, they were in the company of a uniformed police officer, in which case it would be him (admittedly at the request of the mutawaa) who would demand to see our IDs. I should add that this was told to us several years ago, before the authorities apparantly decided to 'rein in' the 'excesses' of the mutaween.


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Cleo, hope I wasn't out of line with my 'darling' quip?


I just find it interesting to note how quickly males lapse into s**ist language on the net. One wonders if they do that in 'real life'?




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I think we can all agree that the muttawa 'police' moral behaviour in KSA and that they have arrested and detained people in the past and are probably still doing it today (whether accompanied by the real cops or not makes little difference.)


Well yeah, we do agree more than we disagree. My point was quite a specific one, and as far as I'm concerned it still stands: the mutaween are not 'policemen' and do not have the powers usually associated with that title. Do they still abuse what powers they do have? Yes - mainly with Saudis, though you'd never believe that if you listen to the hatchet faced Aussie nurses who think it's a badge of honour to cause a scene every time they're asked to cover their heads. Does it matter if they need a policeman with them in order to detain someone? In practical terms, often not, for the purposes of the above discussion, yes.
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007



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bje wrote:
.......here's another English word for you: respect.


Do you mean by 'Respect' for Respect, Equality, Socialism, Peace, Environmentalism, Community, and Trade Unionism.?

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Your sexism (you've learned that word) reflects very poorly on you. In other words, you have demonstrated that you do not respect women, which is evidenced by automatic slurs on female posters.
Ask yourself why you do this.

My sexism? Which sexism? 'Sexism' in America is not the same 'Sexism' in SA! Correct Mr Bje?
Bje, are you a 'feminism' activist in the American sense?

I respect women who respect men!

Van wrote:

She was a working girl
North of England way
Now she's hit the big time
In the K.S.A.
And if she could only hear me
This is what I'd say.
Honey pie you are making me crazy
I'm in love but I'm lazy
So won't you please come home.


Van, nice poem! Who was the composer? Was it Dmb? Laughing
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

007 wrote:
I respect women who respect men!

No you don't... not even close... and it is glaringly obvious from almost every post you make... which is why you have earned zero respect from any the women posters here and most of the men.

VS
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007



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

veiledsentiments wrote:
007 wrote:
I respect women who respect men!

No you don't... not even close... and it is glaringly obvious from almost every post you make... which is why you have earned zero respect from any the women posters here and most of the men.
VS

VS, you cannot be a judge and the complainer in the same time!
If my views and opinions are against yours or any other posters, it does not mean that I am guilty?

We need an external judge to find if really I have harmed the respected women posters?

VS, where is democracy? Am I not innocent until proved guilty?
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dmb



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Cleo, hope I wasn't out of line with my 'darling' quip?


I just find it interesting to note how quickly males lapse into s**ist language on the net. One wonders if they do that in 'real life'?

Why is this s**ist? If I walk into a bar back in Scotland and the 50 odd year old barmaid says to me "Alright darling, what are you having? " Is this a form of s**ism. In Scotland it is just another form of mate, my friend, pal, etc.Obviously a male barman would not say this to another bloke.

Is this just another example of pc gone over the top?
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dmb... this could very well be a generational difference between you and Cleo. Not to mention that what is acceptable in a pub is not what is acceptable in a professional situation. I would expect comments like that in a bar, but if I got it from a supervisor or fellow teacher, I would consider him to have shown himself to be a sexist boor. On a public board such as this, it is often - if not usually - the male posters attempt to denigrate the female poster.

And 007...

Give it up, your own words hang you whenever you post. No outside judge would waste his or her time. You obviously have a very strange definition of 'democracy.'

VS
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bje



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I respect women who respect men!


That's the best you can do is it? The same 'adage' should presumably be reversable: "I respect men who respect women". You don't respect women and so some male and female posters do not respect you.

You could resist the impulse to make silly comments and examine the urge to put women down. If not, continue right on as you have been, but know that you construct a very foolish image of yourself.
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The_Prodiigy



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 3:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bje - try to understand the timeline of the postings on this topic. It helps,
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bje



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 3:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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bje - try to understand the timeline of the postings on this topic. It helps,


Thanks for the advice buddy, but I was just doing what you do! There were 7 postings between Cleo's shriek and your comment on it.

It certainly does help to try to understand the timeline of the postings on a topic, and you and I can make a better effort to prevent readers from undue cognitive dissonance.
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ALPH



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

here we go again. Right, let's put the Posters in perspective. Anytime ( read: Everytime ), Cleo manages to talk herself into a corner, Bje mysteriously shows us to defend her blunders. Now Bje, who passes 'herself' off as a 'bloke', has a 'girlfriend' and is Almighty waspish about any perceived slur on the Female posters, is none other than Cleo herself. Oh where is your manhood, Bje .. i mean, Cleo

And finally, to complete the round, we have -
Veiled sentiments with : - QUOTE - Give it up, your own words hang you whenever you post. No outside judge would waste his or her time. You obviously have a very strange definition of 'democracy.' UNQUOTE

All very well for the Unveiled One, ('inside judge') to chatter on about DEMOCRACY given she has the Power to shut down / rip Threads that challenge her and her friends on these boards out of existence. But hey, you gotta respect these women. And the bloke. I know i do.
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cmp45



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cleo wrote:
if you listen to the hatchet faced Aussie nurses who think it's a badge of honour to cause a scene every time they're asked to cover their heads.

Why is this acceptable language? Why couldn't you have just written Australian nurses? Why the derrogatory remarks?

Now if a man had written this people would have been up in arms about it. Why is it acceptable for you to slander females this way?


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