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JonnyB61

Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 216 Location: Japan
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:30 am Post subject: Nightmare at the Driver's License Center |
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Dear Folks
What follows is a copy of an email that I have just sent to the British Consulate General in Osaka. If, after reading it, anyone can shed any light on the questions I raise at the end then I'd be pleased to hear from you. For the entertainment of readers I will give more details of the ridiculous questions that I was asked but I'll add them tomorrow because I've really had enough of the whole thing for one day, and I'm fed up with typing. In fact, I need a drink! Cheers!
Dear Sir / Madam
I am sending this email to ask for your guidance and advice on the issue of exchanging a UK Driving Licence for a Japanese Driver�s License.
Today, Thursday 5th April 2007, I attended an appointment at the Kumamoto Driver�s License Center in order to execute the transaction mentioned above. I took a Japanese friend along as a translator and I supplied all the documents that JAF told me I would need, including bank statements from last year to show that I had lived in the United Kingdom for at least 3 months after the issue of my UK licence, (it was issued in 1980!). The officer who interviewed me refused to accept my bank statements as proof of residence claiming that someone else could have been using my ATM card while I was out of the country. He then proceeded to ask me to explain every single transaction on each statement asking questions such as:
�What�s this one?�
�It�s a supermarket purchase�
�What did you buy in the supermarket?�
�I can�t remember. Does it matter?�
� Try to remember.�
�Groceries, probably.�
�Soooooooo!�
He then went on to ask endless questions irrelevant to driving licenses or motoring matters before producing a form that he asked me to complete explaining all the stamps in my passport with destinations, dates of entry / exit into foreign countries and the reasons for my visits. I pointed out that these were immigration questions with no connection to motoring matters and that the details were my private business. He told me that if I completed the form he would accept that I had lived in the UK for at least 3 months. I couldn�t see how that information would prove what he said so I declined to give it. For refusing to supply that information he refused to issue a Japanese Driver�s License, my documents were returned and the interview was concluded after about 2 � hours.
Having briefly outlined the events, I would be grateful for your advice on the following points.
1. Am I right in my belief that Japan and the United Kingdom have a reciprocal agreement to honour each other�s driving licences? I know from the experiences of Japanese friends that it is far more straightforward for them to obtain an exchange licence in the UK.
2. Exactly what proof of residence in the UK do the DLC want to see if bank statements are not sufficient? (I asked this question but received no answer.)
3. Do the DLC have the right to demand such detailed information from my private life such as supermarket purchases and reasons for visits to other countries, in order to issue a driving licence? To me these seem to be irrelevant intrusions and I wonder if the officer concerned was following correct procedure or exceeding his authority in an over-zealous manner.
4. Under the circumstances, could you tell me if there are any procedures for appeals and / or complaints? If so, do you believe that they would be of any benefit to me and could you advise me on how to implement them?
Thank you for your attention in this matter and I look forward to hearing from you.
Yours faithfully
Jonathan G Bradshaw
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Gordon

Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 5309 Location: Japan
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:44 am Post subject: |
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Sounds similar to the questions I were asked, so am not sure why you question the idiotic nature of their probing questions. Standard procedure to me. They also asked me what percentage of drivers in Canada pass their driving test, I said 32%, I of course have no idea, but it satisfied him.
Prepare to give and answer or bluff for any and all questions. They can and will do whatever they please. You are the one who wants the license so play their game. |
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canuck

Joined: 11 May 2003 Posts: 1921 Location: Japan
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:53 am Post subject: |
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Jonathan,
When was your passport issued? Did you have your passport while you were in England? That would prove that you were there. Or you could provide information that you have insured a vehicle in the U.K.?
You should have just did your best to answer the questions, provide them with information and give them what they want. Pretty simple. Seems like you flew off the handle and wasted 2 1/2 hours. Try again another day, and make sure you don't deal with the same person. |
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Chris21
Joined: 30 Apr 2006 Posts: 366 Location: Japan
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 10:28 am Post subject: |
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1. Am I right in my belief that Japan and the United Kingdom have a reciprocal agreement to honour each other�s driving licences? I know from the experiences of Japanese friends that it is far more straightforward for them to obtain an exchange licence in the UK. |
If you have spent 3 months in the UK after your licence was issued.
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2. Exactly what proof of residence in the UK do the DLC want to see if bank statements are not sufficient? (I asked this question but received no answer.) |
Bank statements do not prove residence. Your bank statements could be going to your parents' or your friends' address, while you are in Japan.
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3. Do the DLC have the right to demand such detailed information from my private life such as supermarket purchases and reasons for visits to other countries, in order to issue a driving licence? To me these seem to be irrelevant intrusions and I wonder if the officer concerned was following correct procedure or exceeding his authority in an over-zealous manner. |
You don't see how asking about trips abroad is related to if you were in your home country? They have to look at your passports, examine the exit and entry dates, and determine if you were in your home country for the required 90 days.
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4. Under the circumstances, could you tell me if there are any procedures for appeals and / or complaints? If so, do you believe that they would be of any benefit to me and could you advise me on how to implement them? |
You haven't satisfied the requirements for a J-Licence, and it sounds like you gave the people at the licencing center a hard time for doing their job.
Instead of throwing an undeserved tantrum, how about trying to work within the process? |
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madeira
Joined: 13 Jun 2004 Posts: 182 Location: Oppama
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 11:04 am Post subject: |
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Proving residency... do you have Council tax bills in your name? That would be pretty conclusive, I think. Even if you were exempt from the tax, you should have some correspondence. If you were living with parents or such, maybe they could make a document declaring you were living with them and have it notarised?
You have a driver's record, right? (You may call it an abstract.) That should show the issue date.
Just some ideas. |
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G Cthulhu
Joined: 07 Feb 2003 Posts: 1373 Location: Way, way off course.
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 1:40 pm Post subject: Re: Nightmare at the Driver's License Center |
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JonnyB61 wrote: |
1. Am I right in my belief that Japan and the United Kingdom have a reciprocal agreement to honour each other�s driving licences?
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Yup.
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2. Exactly what proof of residence in the UK do the DLC want to see if bank statements are not sufficient? (I asked this question but received no answer.)
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Proof of residence is your passport and the dates within it, in combination with your UK driver's licence. Why the hell would you bother showing them bank statements?! They show you had an account and that someone was using it - nothing more.
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3. Do the DLC have the right to demand such detailed information from my private life such as supermarket purchases and reasons for visits to other countries, in order to issue a driving licence? To me these seem to be irrelevant intrusions and I wonder if the officer concerned was following correct procedure or exceeding his authority in an over-zealous manner.
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They have the right to determine if you were resident. That gives them pretty wide leeway. Besides, it's Japan: what do you expect?
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4. Under the circumstances, could you tell me if there are any procedures for appeals and / or complaints? If so, do you believe that they would be of any benefit to me and could you advise me on how to implement them?
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Why are you asking the British Embassy about appeals procedures for Kumamoto government departments?! Contact a CIR at the Kumamoto International Affairs office and ask them. Get them to come hold your hand while you swap your licence over (it should be part of their job) rather than some random Japanese friend - they will have *slightly* more cache with the DLC and will also (usually) have more experience in the whole swap routine. But honestly, if you haven't already figured it out, take in *only* what you need to complete the procedure, be polite, answer their slly questions if you run into someone that asks them, and once you've got the Japanese licence in hand, *then* file a written complaint (in Japanese, of course) and ask for disciplinary procedures if you think it will accomplish anything.
Nothing much will happen, of course, but that's the same as anywhere really and at least you'll have your Jpns licence and feel better about things. Good luck with it all. |
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osakajojo

Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 229
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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Better yet, just go in there by yourself with no translator. They will probably ask you less questions if they know that you can't understand their questions. |
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