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"Across cultures, English is the word"

 
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Serious_Fun



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:07 am    Post subject: "Across cultures, English is the word" Reply with quote

Idea an interesting article in the online International Herald Tribune:

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/04/09/asia/englede.php


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Riding the crest of globalization and technology, English dominates the world as no language ever has, and some linguists are now saying it may never be dethroned as the king of languages.


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tedkarma



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since almost everyone of school age in India studies English - and add in the English speaking countries - and a few EFL students - and there you go . . .
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ilaria



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, whatever. I give it less than 30 years until voice recognition and machine translation will have developed to the point where we can use our mobile phones as pocket interpreters. No more boring years of language learning drudgery for our students! Yay! And then of course we'll all be out of a job.
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Stephen Jones



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Since almost everyone of school age in India studies English -
The number of native English speakers in India is under 200,000.

The number of bilingual English/another language speakers (which covers a vast range of competence in English) is well under 150 million.
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DNK



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll defend tedkarma by saying that in my anecdotal experience, most of the school children I came across in the cities knew at least some English. Whether they ever become regular speakers, I suppose, depends on where they are employed in a dozen years or so.

So although, in my experience, 150mil is probably an exaggeration of current speakers, future speakers could be much higher granted the economic situation stays the same and India continues to globalize.

On the other hand, there's just as good a chance that Chinese could start competing. Iirc, they're trying to take away the US' dominance over the internet's hardware, and of course are expanding into the global marketplace so much that it might also be a need-to-know language.

So perhaps there won't be just one global language, but a few. Just some thoughts...
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DNK wrote:

So perhaps there won't be just one global language, but a few. Just some thoughts...


I think there will certainly be several different Englishes!

Just as a teacher trainer I ran into such variation between native speakers from Western countries - it was great fun just getting a handle on all the accents, vocabulary and different usages.

Indian speakers tend to use progressive forms of verbs that even Betty Azar would pooh pooh - but certainly acceptable in that community.

It will be interesting to see where it all goes.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 5:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DNK...is it the internet hardware, or software that the Chinese are trying to break into? One problem with the Chinese in that regard is, it's their government doing that, and the Chinese government is obsessed with censorship.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hardware. I think it was more than 80-90% of all the internet's infrastructure is located in the States, or at least owned by US companies. Can't remember the exact percent, but it was really high.

Not sure about the software aspect. Not even sure what software you are talking about. Choogle or something?



Just for clarification, for multiple international languages I sort of meant like English, Chinese, maybe Spanish/Portuguese/Hindi. I doubt the latter ones just because India and Latin America's lingual mix will probably keep their importance lower than English and Chinese, even if India ever became an equal economic force to China or Latin America ever tried to "unionize" like Europe.
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