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vikdk
Joined: 25 Jun 2003
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The United States can be considered corrupt... corruption is everywhere, poor or rich countries, unfortunately . We obviously have it better in the US and other western countries, but its still there. You gotta watch your back wherever you go... general rule of existence.
I'm going with http://www.chinaprogram.org. They seem solid and provide a very groupish experience, so that tells me right there they are serious. It is also through the Shenzhen public school government so that is another plus I feel. |
Here�s one of Berek's posts on the job he's taking - and one comparing levels of corruption in the States to those found in China.
After reading this gem of a post - and learning of his faith in the so-called Shenzen public school government - I believe Berek would be well advised to ponder the concept of corruption going hand in hand with exploitation. After all the corruption factor will come into play in getting program members their working papers - something he won't have to worry too much about - no its the exploitation that he should think over.
And how will this affect you - well don't go boasting in too many FT bars that you're paying to teach in Shenzhen - especially not to some FT who has just had a hard day's work of negotiating a decent wage. |
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Berek Halfhand
Joined: 19 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:39 am Post subject: |
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That's nice vikdk, I think you need to go to bed. This isn't a flame post, I'm asking some legitiment questions about Internet access and my program leaders responses, so if you please would move along so someone with a constructive thought can post here it would be appreciated. It's upsetting to see a post with my legitiment concerns overrun by this  . |
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vikdk
Joined: 25 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:56 am Post subject: |
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| It's upsetting to see a post with my legitiment concerns overrun by this |
Are you so naive to think that posting about working for a project that undermines the working conditions of other FT's would encourage positive posts  |
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Berek Halfhand
Joined: 19 Feb 2007
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If you have a problem you need to resolve it another way, not through bantering my legitimate questions. You have a serious issue dude and need to quit it now. I'm not undermining anyone, I'm seeking help. If you can't handle that then get a counselor or something to resolve your personal problems.
Everyone else here has responded with responsible and respectful posts as would be expected. You are rude and obnoxious and only embarassing yourself. If you have nothing better to do go to bed. |
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Ahchoo
Joined: 22 Mar 2007
Posts: 606
Location: Earth
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:54 am Post subject: |
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BH, did I read that right?
You're actually going to PAY for the privilage of teaching in Shenzhen, one of the richest cities in China?
The question has to be asked, "Why"?
You do realize that someone will be making money off your efforts don't you?
(Aside from the profit the program organizers make).
It's all about money in China. If you're paying you're getting ripped off, then exploited.
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tw
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:58 am Post subject: |
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| I'm paying for it after all, |
remember this guy is paying to work in China |
No he's not. In his original post, he says "I'm going through a program sponsored from the United States that is working for the Shenzhen government and placing us in Public Schools within Shenzhen".
He's willing to pay for the DSL service.
OP, assuming that you are for real and not just another fantasy alias of a past Davester's crazed imagination, you might want to keep in mind that:
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| You will not have DSL or cable access in your housing in Shenzhen. The typical service is dial-up. |
That's plain BS. While I was in Hohhot I had my own DSL service (512KB) and Hohhot is definitely smaller and less developed than Shenzhen is. I can only speculate that the contact either doesn't know what he/she is saying, or that he/she just doesn't want to help you. Dial-up only in China? What a joke!
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There could be cable access at a school computer lab, but it would not be appropriate for you as a faculty member to use those facilities for
computer games. |
Translation: you, as a teacher, should not be seen by students playing computer games in the computer labs. You should act professionally to be proper role model. (Keep in mind China has a LOT of young people addicted to online games)
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| Frankly, you will need to change your attitude or you will not be successful in adapting to life in China, which is, of course, the main reason for going to China. |
I'd been thinking that this person might have misunderstood you because of language barrier. But it seems to me this person is just a %@$*#. Personally, I'd rather have a FT who plays online games a lot in his spare time than having a FT who screw his female students or goes to drunk hungover all the time. BTW, you should know that many young people in China make a living by getting hired by people in the West to play online games for those people, i.e. to increase the hirer's experience level and get them equipped with powerful and rare items.
Having said that. I think you should be also aware that if you pay for your own DSL service and unless you have at least a one-year commitment, you will be paying a huge over-usage fee. Towards the last two or three months of my time in Inner Mongolia, my monthly phone-and-Internet bills were around 300 RMB a couple times from too much serfing of ESL job sites. I have a 59 RMB/month DSL package that gave me 50 free hours, but anything after that was 0.05 RMB/minute. This was with China Railcom and I think that's a standard package all across China because my uncle in Beijing has the exact package.[/quote] |
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in_asia_bill
Joined: 02 Mar 2006
Posts: 197
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 8:38 am Post subject: |
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| I'm paying for it after all, they should be obligated to at least tell me how I can pay for access instead of *beep* about the simple request ;P. I'm not going with a program to be preached at like I'm some 16 year old boy who knows nothing of the world. |
Well whether you like it or not you will be preached at like you are some 16 year old boy who knows nothing of the world. After all, who but a 16 year old boy who knows nothing of the world would pay to come to CHina to teach? They are probably rubbing their hands right now just waiting for your arrival. As for the reliable highspeeed 24/7 Internet I would forget it. I am in Shenzhen at the moment and my pad has this facility, but it only connects every other day or so, and often just disconnects itself. I think a lot of the servers are not allowed to connect users to a lot of those silly online kiddy shoot-them-up games. Frequent powercuts do not help. And anyway, what makes you think you will have the time to play stupid games on the web? I have met idiots who have paid to come to teach in China on the program you say you are coming over with and they are worked to the bone, often putting in more than 30 hours of actual lessons hours a week. They have to teach evenings and weekends and their housing is just grotty. You mention that as the program is connected to the Shenzhen public school government it must be legit. LOL! The higher up you go in China the more blatantly corrupt things and people become. How do you think they got there? Just a year or so ago a few people in the government department you refer to got busted for spending the entire primary school annual education budget on whores, lobsters, and XVO cognac in top hotel. They said they had to do it to keep face, to keep up with some Japanese and Korean businessmen who were throwing their money around. So they did it for the good of the country. So good luck with these people.
BTW, love that bit about being paid to play silly online games - that is some classic trolling. |
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Kurochan
Joined: 01 Mar 2003
Posts: 944
Location: China
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 9:21 am Post subject: Re: Imminent Concern: Program Not Accommodating Or Legit Iss |
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| This was between my coordinator and myself (I'm going through a program sponsored from the United States that is working for the Shenzhen government and placing us in Public Schools within Shenzhen). |
And would this be the University of Memphis program? If it is, let them know I'm still waiting for a TEFL certificate that says TEFL somewhere on it.
I don't see why you couldn't get high-speed access by calling up either China Telecom or getting it through China Post (which is supposedly cheaper). I've heard China Tel is like 140 RMB a month. Anyhow, when I was at Shenzhen University, the whole foreign teachers' building had ADSL. |
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