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when students seem clueless

 
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:27 am    Post subject: when students seem clueless Reply with quote

I had a student stroll into my classroom and start talking to her friend. This would have been okay, except that the class had started 15 minutes earlier. I asked the student, '"Are you in this class?" She started to reply that she wasn't, and I promptly booted her out.

Seen anything like this, and how did you handle it? I am debating whether I should report it to kyoumuka (admin), but I'm not usually of the mind to do that Rolling Eyes Wink .
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dmb



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

..... or when a mobile phone goes off and they start pacing the room as they answer it. I shepherd them out the room.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clueless students like that are not clueless. They are either breaking rules or they are downright rude.

You guys seem to have handled things all right to me.

In my university classes, I try to treat them as young adults. If a cell phone goes off, I stop in mock surprise, pause, and perhaps make a joke about the melody, then mildly announce to turn it off. Everyone smiles, and the offender is only mildly embarrassed as they turn it off.

In high school, I confiscated the cell phone, per school policy, and they had to come to their homeroom teacher to explain and apologize.
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shuize



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 2:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Similar to the OP, once, during a large lecture class, I had a student walk in about fifteen minutes late, rifle around the seats in the back of the room as though he was looking for something, then walk right down the isle and up to me at the podium where I was in the middle of lecturing in front of about 100 students to ask the following question:

Student: "Do you know where my train pass is?"

Me (after a short pause): "Are you retarded?"
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Justin Trullinger



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have had plenty of clueless students. Meaning that they didn't have a clue about something. (Often English.)

But what you're describing strikes me as less than clueless. THey can't be THAT clueless about appropriate behaviour, as Glenski mentioned. They aren't behaving appropriately, but I have a hard time believing that they don't know this.

Let them know what you expect. Let them know what will happen if they don't deliver it. Then let them choose.

By the way, Shuize. It sounds like the young man had lost his bus pass, and was looking for it. His turn of phrase, when he asked you about it, was a bit odd. Probably not his first language, after all. I don't see where this leads to the conclusion that he is retarded.

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Justin
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furiousmilksheikali



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Justin Trullinger wrote:

By the way, Shuize. It sounds like the young man had lost his bus pass, and was looking for it. His turn of phrase, when he asked you about it, was a bit odd. Probably not his first language, after all. I don't see where this leads to the conclusion that he is retarded.


Maybe he shouldn't interrupt a lecture to ask where his train pass is. It does sound a little autistic.
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Serious_Fun



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Classroom Management techniques are our way of guiding those "clueless" souls...

Tools for Fools? Laughing Embarassed Rolling Eyes sorry...I love and respect all of my students...even the needy ones.
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shuize



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Justin Trullinger wrote:
By the way, Shuize. It sounds like the young man had lost his bus pass, and was looking for it. His turn of phrase, when he asked you about it, was a bit odd. Probably not his first language, after all. I don't see where this leads to the conclusion that he is retarded.

I guess I forgot to mention the exchange took place in Japanese and that he turned out not to be my student. But that really shouldn't matter. If you walk into the middle of a large, ongoing lecture class and interrupt the instructor by standing directly in front of him at the podium to ask about your train pass, then, yeah, you're retarded.
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 4:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Serious_Fun posted
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I love and respect all of my students...even the needy ones.


Especially the needy ones, they keep me employed Laughing !

Justin Trullinger posted
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They aren't behaving appropriately, but I have a hard time believing that they don't know this.


Me too. I think sometimes students assume foreign teachers will be more lenient in putting up with rude behaviour.

Glenski posted
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Clueless students like that are not clueless. They are either breaking rules or they are downright rude.


No, I think they are clueless too. I can't imagine myself ever doing what that student did. The ones that try to signal through the window in the door are bad enough Rolling Eyes Cool .
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