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voodoochild
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Glenski
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Let's get off this.
The Australian woman who was killed was part of the group of women for which Obara was jailed for life. Tonight's news said there simply was not enough material evidence to convict him of Ms. Blackman's murder.
Prosecutors are not happy. They intend to follow up on this.
Do you know all the facts of the case that prosecutors presented?
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| Oh, and the police were on their usual form |
They were "unavailable for comment". So? What would you have them say (and probably twist their words anyway)? |
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furiousmilksheikali
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:44 am Post subject: Re: Japanese Justice |
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Would he have been convicted had it been a Japanese woman? hmmm |
I haven't been following the case but there are two things you are doing here.
1. You are clearly saying the verdict was wrong but haven't provided your own evidence for the man's guilt.
2. Insinuating that the courts only care about Japanese victims, again providing no evidence. |
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voodoochild
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No I dont have the facts but if you have read the profile of the guy who did this and the 100's of other women he raped etc then its clear who killed her, dont take my word for it hear what the parents feel about it
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6587701.stm
and as for your earlier snidey cheap shot comment Glenski about the police being unavailable for comment, and me 'twisting their words', thats not what was being pointed out ... the police didnt want to take any action at the start of the case and showed incompetence, just like they did with the recent nova teacher who got killed |
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furiousmilksheikali
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| In fact it is unusual that he didn't receive the death penalty as that is often the penalty given out for aggravated murder. Then again, if the evidence did not support a conviction then the judge theoretically has no choice but to acquit the guy. |
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sidjameson
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OP all you are saying is because he has done certain crimes before he must be found guilty of this one. And because the parents feel upset about a man not being found for the muder of their daughter then it must make him doubly guilty.
I'm on my second Sapporo so forgive me, but please tell me, have you been to university? |
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bluefrog
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Glenski wrote: |
Let's get off this.
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| Oh, and the police were on their usual form |
They were "unavailable for comment". So? What would you have them say (and probably twist their words anyway)? |
I think he was referring to the unwillingness of Japanese officials to cooperate and overall incompetence of Japanese police. (at least that's what I got from the article) Their ineptness has come up in the media recently.
I remember when this news broke back in 2000. I think her dad actually took some blood money from Obara's "college friend" last year. Something to the equivalent of $1,000,00.
I understand the family's need for closure but the guy is going away for the rest of his life. I hope he's guilty because the alternative is troubling thought. |
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G Cthulhu
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| voodoochild wrote: |
No I dont have the facts but if you have read the profile of the guy who did this and the 100's of other women he raped etc then its clear who killed her, dont take my word for it hear what the parents feel about it
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So what you're saying is that you're basically a Big Fan of the Salem Witch Trials standards of judicial evidence?  |
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kendoman1
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Actually, he is not going away for the rest of his life. In Japan you're eligible for parole in ten years for a life sentence.
The judge gave him credit for the five years, that he has already served,so Obara can be paroled and walking the streets five years from today.
Their are no double jeopardy laws in Japan even though he was found not guilty, he could be re-arrested for this same offence and given a different trial and sentence. |
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Glenski
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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| and as for your earlier snidey cheap shot comment Glenski about the police being unavailable for comment, and me 'twisting their words', thats not what was being pointed out |
Call my comments anything you like, but you did not "point out" anything other than a link to a news article. What I glean from that is my business. Don't blame me for your lack of ... what was that word again? ... evidence.
Again, folks, let's get off this topic. No evidence has been given to satisfy a judge, yet voodoochild wants to raise this politically charged non-teaching issue on a teaching board. I say close the thread. |
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J.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:31 pm Post subject: It's not a "non-teaching" issue |
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that Lindsay Hawker was killed, maybe by a person pretending to be a student. And this case is of special interest to me as a woman here. I happen to agree about the police being laxidasical, at best. I have personal experience of at least one friend reporting an accident and being blamed herself (for being hit by a car while on a bicycle) by police. I've also experienced harassment here by men around town. All part and parcel of the same issue for me, which is the safety of women and the inability, for whatever reason, or apparent unwillingness of the justice system to treat these crimes with the seriousness which they deserve.
And besides, we deal with lots of "non-teaching" issues here; how about youtube and "movies we all like", etc.? |
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Grasshopper
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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Voodoo thanks for the post.
It`s not up to Voodoo to provide evidence...
I also find threads like this of particular interest. Anything that relates to the environment/country I live & work in is of interest to me.
I think it`s easy for one person to disagree & then many other people will follow suit.
I find it rather strange how Voodoo brings up an article, expresses a few opinions (ones that have been expressed before here), and then suddenly gets accused of supporting the Salem Witch trials.
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furiousmilksheikali
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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| bluefrog wrote: |
I remember when this news broke back in 2000. I think her dad actually took some blood money from Obara's "college friend" last year. Something to the equivalent of $1,000,00.
I understand the family's need for closure but the guy is going away for the rest of his life. I hope he's guilty because the alternative is troubling thought. |
According to the article he took 450,000 pounds which is almost a million dollars, and which the father claimed wasn't blood money.
As another poster has pointed out a life sentence doesn't always mean life, but the fact is he has been put away for the time being. If he had been convicted for crimes for which not enough evidence had been available then surely there would be the possibilty of Obara appealing the sentence (as he is going to do for the others) and going free if the ruling turns out to be unsound. There is no point in posters here saying "he obviously did it". |
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Gordon
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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| If that isn't blood money, what is? Come on. |
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