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markle



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
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Location: Out of Japan

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More fun with analogies

Co-Worker 1: I'm just about done drafting that report for the planning commision. You think it's correct.
Co-worker 2: Sure.... (reading). I think this equation is out.

Co-worker 1: No, I'm pretty sure I got it right. I checked a slide rule.

Co-worker 2: Trust me, something's off.

Co-worker 1: Fine, let's just go ask the engineer.

Said Engineer: Ohmygod for the hundredth time my name is PETER! Can't you see I'm human just like you! If you cut me do I not bleed! Oh for the love of Christ I just can't take it anymore!!!!!!

Co-Worker 1: Touchy bugger isn't he?
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azarashi sushi



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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Location: Shinjuku

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't have a problem with the word gaijin as such, but I think it's rude if a person knows your name to refer to you as anything but by your name.

Markle, I don't think your analogy is quite correct. Referring to someone by their job title (the engineer) or referring to someone as gaijin are not the same thing. By your reasoning, in Yawarakajin's case, they should have referred to him as "the native speaker" or "the English teacher". Referring to him as "the gaijin" would be like referring to the engineer as "the computer geek", "the ugly guy with thick rimmed glasses" or something equally disrespectful.
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Gordon



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Yo nerd, come over here n fix my computer. Hurry it up."
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Yawarakaijin



Joined: 20 Jan 2006
Posts: 504
Location: Middle of Nagano

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks again to canuck for his semi veiled pot shot at me for not having a university degree. Hinting that a university educated Canadian would know and use the term First Nations instead of Native North American is quite pathetic. I am very aware of the terminology thank you very much, however, I also recognize that not everyone on this board is a Canadian or even a North American for that matter. It seems to me that, for all your university education, you have yet to learn what it means to think logically or be capable of a certain amount of civility.

Seriously canuck, do you expect every poster to demonstrate their entire breadth of knowledge in ever single post they make or is it quite possible that the complete individual may be more than the sum of a few random internet posts? Quite frankly, everytime you denegrate other posters on this board, you are merely demonstrating your own failings as a human being.

You need to drop this vendetta. I handed you your ass when you took me to task about needing a degree to get visa sponsorship in Japan and you have not let it go since. I DO NOT have a university degree and yet have been hired and sponsored by a large Japanese firm. For all your attempts to degrade me for not having a university degree, all you have done is made yourself appear to be the one sorely in need of an education.

For your frank and often spot on answers to questions regarding life in Japan, I thank you. For all the other sh#t you spout, ............ Rolling Eyes
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shuize



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

azarashi sushi wrote:
I don't have a problem with the word gaijin as such, but I think it's rude if a person knows your name to refer to you as anything but by your name.

My thoughts as well. I have Japanese friends I hang out with who toss the term around in banter. I pick a rude nickname for them and give it right back. It's not a problem. However, in a business environment, where someone should know your name, it seems less than professional to refer to you as "the foreigner."

As others have noted above, it's not something I would throw a fit over. However, if it continues, I might mention to the individual how it reflects poorly on both her and the company.
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G Cthulhu



Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Location: Way, way off course.

PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 1:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JimDunlop2 wrote:

How about a large American corporation, in the R&D section of a Silicon Valley hardware firm...


Funny you should mention that....

...I've had that exact thing happen at work here in the US, except it was "the foreigner", not "the alien". Apparently, all "foreigners" speak "foreign". I never knew I spoke French, and apparently I didn't speak it at that moment either.

I regret that I did distrub the office wa though because I told them to take their bigotted attitudes and fvck right off back to Kansas. Smile And just for good measure I signed their office email accounts up to a daily porn subscription. Smile Smile
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