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vikdk



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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 3:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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With teaching in a public school just remember to go into class with lots of material so they (kids) are doing something the whole time you are in the classroom. Also have a backup, meaning extra material in case the first lot of material is a no go.

Within these two sentences lies the whole essence of the normal FT training program - where, after not being provided with any teaching materials (apart from some unusable English text book), nobody actually tells you what that mystical "material" should be. And remember you keep having to change it so your lessons build language through an academic progression - and on a practical front just don't get plain boring for the kids. But what the heck � no wonder so many FT's soon find out that stuff like DVD's make excellent �keep the kids entertained material" � being shown with no real regard to the act of teaching English - but as long as you keep on being that white money magnet, who attracts the custom, nobody seems to care Exclamation

By the way materials are all well and good - but to be an "effective and comfortable" FT - it could be an advantage to throw a bit knowledge and expertise, both with regard to the basic job of teaching and that of teaching EFL to your particular student group, into the proverbial mix - and I'm afraid that kind of stuff you can't buy at a counter or find on the internet Idea
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kev7161



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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I taught "oral" English, we used the New Interchange books. 80% of classtime was used for acting out dialogues, pronunciation and enunciation, talking about the meanings of words and trying to use them correctly in sentences, reading aloud, covering grammar rules, etc. Some group work was thrown in as well. About 20% of the time was "self-study" (working in the workbooks). Some of my students were whiz-kids who almost always finished quickly. After checking their work, I'd generally have a few (age-appropriate) English magazines on hand, some word search puzzles, even my portable CD player with headphones. The CD player was the most popular, but first come, first serve. The students were really good at sharing though and the word search puzzles came in second. The magazines were good for a flip-through, but most didn't want to make an effort to read the "complex" English!
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Gregor



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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did this for a while in Dalian, being sent from my small private school to a middle school. The classes are tiring, but not difficult.
Once I realized what I was supposed to be doing, I stopped planning lessons for them at all. You just need to have a topic to talk about, use the chalkboard a lot, and direct your lessons to the few who want to pay attention (which will be the smallest fraction of the 60 kids there). Take the advice of being strict with humor, and cut a deal with the kids who don't want to be there - "Go ahead and sleep, do your homework, whatever, but try to keep the noise level down, OK? We just have to get through this." That goes over pretty well.
So have your topics, think of things to mark on the board, and just hang out and talk with them. If it's the slightest bit interesting, you'll be fine.
Specifically what can you do? Anything. Once I drew a bunch of pictures on the board and taught the kids about the tectonic plates and geology in general. Another time, Geography (continents, countries, capitals, etc.) . One time, I did the solar system. Any of these topics lend themselves to drawing on the board.
Remember two things - First, they do not expect you to TEACH the kids. The kids will have a Chinese English teacher to teach them wrong (which they need to do to pass their tests). Second, even if you end up "teaching" them something they've already learned in another class, well, that's all the better, because you're showing them how to talk about it in English. After all, sure, they know that the second planet from the sun is called 金星, but they didn't learn that it's Venus in English.
Again, it's tiring but easy. Don't worry about it.
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Steppenwolf



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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2007 5:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gregor - that was a good post! Miss you a lot...
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englishgibson



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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, it's a great post Gregor and I've missed you too.

Cheers and beers to all hard working teachers or laowais in China Very Happy
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vikdk



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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 5:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Once I realized what I was supposed to be doing, I stopped planning lessons for them at all.

Teaching oral English is very difficult because lessons must be planned with regard to -

1. Progression - teaching new language - with regard to what has been taught and the general ability of the class
2. Practice - recapping and using that language that has already been taught
3. Interest - finding ways to make the lesson entertaining/memorable both for the pupils and teacher, a process that should aid and encourage language acquisition, and build more job-satisfaction for the FT
4. Classroom management - planning with regard to class type/ability, and how to get as many pupils as possible to take part in the actual task of speaking English.
5. Inspiring - acting as a role model who the pupils want to follow (wanting to speak English because of an interest in the teacher and the teacher�s interests).

Remember learning English as a language rather than an academic subject means that students can't just attend a lesson fall asleep - and then at exam time rely on a major cram session to pick up on what they missed during classroom time - picking up a language doesn't work like that. In the same way the teacher can�t just enter a classroom and blather on about any old subject without due regard to the professional aspects of teaching English. To get the pupils to want to learn during class time - although it gets easier with experience - takes a great deal of planning. Anybody who writes -
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I stopped planning lessons for them at all

- seems to have really accepted the fact that, in China, you may be able to get away without good lesson planning and need only be an English speaking figurehead - which seems to me not far short of filling the performing white monkey role Laughing
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Gregor



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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, well,
Vicdk, whatever. You can still make your life a lot easier if you take your gig for what it is.
What was described by the OP was not a teaching position. ALL of us here who have done that job knows this full well. It's a dancing monkey job, by design. If you take it, the pay is fairly good, and it's easy to do. We all know that if you knock yourself out trying to teach these 60 kids in this class - a class with no test, no homework, no progress evaluation whatsoever - you will drive yourself out of your mind and do the same to the kids, make all the other teachers there hate you, and basically be a complete failure at the job you were handed.
This is not meant to get into a battle against vickdk again. Y'all won't hear from me again on this thread. I just want newbies, and the OP in particular, understand what they're getting into. This is NOT an ESL job. And no matter what the FAO or whoever says, you are NOT giving lessons in any conventional sense. You just need to keep the kids who care to pay any attention to you engaged. Bonus points for getting a laugh, or engaging other kids, the ones who didn't think they wanted to pay any attention. But those are bonus points, and not necessary. If you don't like being the dancing white monkey, then don't take the job. If you go into it knowing that's what it is, it earns an easy living while you're in China and maybe you'll like it, or else maybe you can find something better later on.
That's all.
By the way, this advice goes for the JET program in Japan, and other similar gigs in Asia.
In no case, though, is the "I'm-a-teacher-not-an-entertainer" attitude EVER going to work to your benefit, especially in China, but anywhere in ESL.
Yes, when you have a manageable sized class of students who want to learn and are going to be tested and so on (in a McSchool or anywhere else), you need to plan lessons and pay attention.
In what the OP described? NO. That would just be idiotic and self-defeating.
Also by the way, in ANY ESL gig anywhere in the world, or any teaching gig for that matter, you will be a much better and effective teacher if you drop the ""not-an-entertainer" pretension and get the students engaged in what you're teaching. Think about it - who were the teachers YOU learned the most from? The ones with the pedagogy and intolerable seriousness about the subject at hand, or the ones who were fun, funny, and would go off-topic and digress now and then?
No one is going to be a good teacher taking the job too seriously. This is what I have learned in ten years of teaching. Don't take as long to learn the lesson, or you will hate life.
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vikdk



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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 2:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In no case, though, is the "I'm-a-teacher-not-an-entertainer" attitude EVER going to work to your benefit, especially in China, but anywhere in ESL

We all teach regardless of what we are doing - for example bad Chinese drivers teach me to be a good pedestrian, just as my bad English teaching could teach my pupils that English is waste of time. In the same way nobody can get away from being an entertainer - after all don't our entertaining lao wai looks encourage so many stares from the locals! However the profession of teaching (in its most humanitarian sense � without using the powers of indoctrination) calls for us to combine the concepts of entertaining and teaching to create both student interest and a positive learning environment � but being a skilled profession for which people need to train there are obviously more effective ways of going about this than others!!!!
So if I go into a Chinese classroom and talk - using English only - about very complicated concepts such as plate tectonics (see Gregor's first post), then unless my students have remarkable English abilities - then all I'm teaching them is that this classroom English sounds like - rhubarb gulp og dong rhubarb - a mixture of non-understandable sounds. Now that's not very entertaining is it - and all you are teaching is -"it's English hour, lets go to sleep". I'm glad I'm not the FT following on from this type of teaching - but then again maybe part of the big problem for the FT is following on after the lack lustre efforts of their white predecessor - the FT domino effect!!!!
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No one is going to be a good teacher taking the job too seriously. This is what I have learned in ten years of teaching. Don't take as long to learn the lesson, or you will hate life.

Come on Gregor - you ain't going to tell them newbies to dumb down to the system right at the start � now that�s what I'd call giving in and giving an extra nudge to them dominoes. Laughing


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mondrian



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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 3:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kev7161 wrote:
When I taught "oral" English, we used the New Interchange books. 80% of classtime was used for acting out dialogues, pronunciation and enunciation, talking about the meanings of words and trying to use them correctly in sentences, reading aloud, covering grammar rules, etc. Some group work was thrown in as well. About 20% of the time was "self-study" (working in the workbooks). Some of my students were whiz-kids who almost always finished quickly. After checking their work, I'd generally have a few (age-appropriate) English magazines on hand, some word search puzzles, even my portable CD player with headphones. The CD player was the most popular, but first come, first serve. The students were really good at sharing though and the word search puzzles came in second. The magazines were good for a flip-through, but most didn't want to make an effort to read the "complex" English!


Yes "the good ole' days"!
BTW for reinforcement exercises on New Interchange lessons, I used the Discovery Channel puzzles, especially Word Search and the Crossword. I had access to a photocopier in those days. The kids loved the challenge of being the first to finish (and got candy). I could sit down and have a quiet, furiously working classroom (doing pair work) and NO cheating ('cos who wants to give the candy to their rivals!).
free Internet site or buy the CD: http://puzzlemaker.school.discovery.com/
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 4:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What was described by the OP was not a teaching position. ALL of us here who have done that job knows this full well.
couldn't agree more

vikdk, i don't think that i've ever asked you this before and none of my biz, but would you be so kind to tell all where your experience comes from?
sorry, i have no time to go through all your posts and so on, but i am just interested to know

peace to ya
and
cheers and beers to all hard working laowai educators as well as edutainers Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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vikdk, i don't think that i've ever asked you this before and none of my biz, but would you be so kind to tell all where your experience comes from?
sorry, i have no time to go through all your posts and so on, but i am just interested to know

Teaching English to students of all ages since 1993 - in China since 2003 mainly specialising in kindergarten. I know to well what its like to face 100plus mature students in a Chinese classroom - and i know too well about the work that goes on in planning - on a long-term basis (the subject of tectonics plates does get a bit boring after 3 months) - an effective teaching strategy for the type of class the OP described Wink

But then experiences to one side - you know the personal stuff - do you have any professional comments regarding my last post � after all its all too easy just to dumb down to this system Laughing


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Steppenwolf



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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

englishgibson wrote:
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What was described by the OP was not a teaching position. ALL of us here who have done that job knows this full well.
couldn't agree more

vikdk, i don't think that i've ever asked you this before and none of my biz, but would you be so kind to tell all where your experience comes from?
sorry, i have no time to go through all your posts and so on, but i am just interested to know

peace to ya
and
cheers and beers to all hard working laowai educators as well as edutainers Very Happy


Same sentiments and questions this side of the Pearl River.
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vikdk



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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 4:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Question answered - and your professional reflections on my posts Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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englishgibson



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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i love your emoticons Embarassed

cheers and beers to 1.3 billion students in one classroom Laughing
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vikdk



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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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i love your emoticons

Now that's what I call a meaningful contribution to a debate on the problems being an FT in China - and your ideas concerning planning a lesson are Laughing Laughing Laughing
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