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Sherp



Joined: 03 May 2007
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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2007 1:44 pm    Post subject: How long to find work? Reply with quote

Hi there,

I've been scanning these forums for some time, though this is my first post on Dave's ESL Cafe. I have tried searching for similar topics but have come up short - if I am missing something, could you please re-direct me?

I will be leaving for Taiwan in early July and am hoping that you can provide me with some input on how long I might expect to wait before landing a job. I intend on first traveling throughout the island for a couple weeks to get an idea of where I would most enjoy living. Ideally though, I would like to be on/near the east coast, as I have heard that the air pollution is somewhat less severe there (which is an important factor for me, as I have asthma) and access to good surfing is also readily available. I am not ruling out Taipei or Taichung (or any other location, for that matter) until I see them. Although job availability may differ greatly from area to area, in general, how long should it take me to secure a teaching job if I am very proactive in my search?

I hope you can lend me some advice!

Thanks
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surrealia



Joined: 11 Jan 2003
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Location: Taiwan

PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think if you move to Taipei or Kaohsiung you could find work within a few days. The east coast may take a bit longer. (When I was in Hualien a few years ago, I heard that they were too many teachers there and not enough jobs).

This page has some good advice on finding work:

http://www.geocities.com/allhou/teachtai.htm
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Jamer



Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 2:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Took me a month to find work in Taipei....If you can i'd highly advise getting a job before coming here.
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BigWally



Joined: 07 Jun 2006
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Location: Ottawa, CAN (prev. Kaohsiung "the Dirty South")

PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 3:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

it'll be very tough for you with only a 60 day visitor visa to "travel throughout the island for a few weeks before settling down"...the job hunt can be tough, and you dont always want to take the first job that comes your way....the last thing you want to do is make a visa run to Hong Kong when you dont have to...I would suggest getting here and finding a job right away....there will be plenty of time to travel the island once you have employment secured....

Taipei, Hsinchu, Taichung, Tainan & Kaohsiung on the west coast are the best options.

Hualien and Taidung are the only real options on the east coast.

Those are the biggest cities and therefore offer the most options. I've heard there are only like 10 ESL teachers in Taidung....lol...
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Sherp



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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi again,

Thanks for the input thus far. I'm a bit confused though, because of the conflicting advice. I keep hearing (throughout the forums) that it is best to go to Taiwan without a job... however here I am getting the impression that it is best to secure a job in advance. Is it the case that you're most likely to quickly find employment if arrangements are made in advance (ie. online/recruiters) but more likely to find a good job if the search is done once having arrived? It would be a problem if I don't have a job by day 60...

Ideally I will have employment secured by (at the latest) the end of August. I want to leave the doors open for the possibility of returning to graduate studies during the following year. So really, this means that I need to find a job within the 60-day visa window. Any advice?

I should also add: I am not overly concerned with making tons of money. Rather, I would ideally like to get a job that allows enough time to do some traveling (around the island as well as off) while living comfortably, or like a local. In other words, I won't be dropping $100 at the bar every weekend...

Thank again
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BigWally



Joined: 07 Jun 2006
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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sherp wrote:

Thanks for the input thus far. I'm a bit confused though, because of the conflicting advice.


Thats why this forum is so good....so many different people with different experiences....

Sherp wrote:
I keep hearing (throughout the forums) that it is best to go to Taiwan without a job... however here I am getting the impression that it is best to secure a job in advance.


It sure is nice to walk into a foreign country, have someone meet you at the airport, take out to meet some folks, get you an apartment, and get you the essentials....makes that journey a lot easier....

Sherp wrote:
Is it the case that you're most likely to quickly find employment if arrangements are made in advance (ie. online/recruiters) but more likely to find a good job if the search is done once having arrived? It would be a problem if I don't have a job by day 60...


AVOID RECRUITERS LIKE THE PLAGUE....that being said, you can find people who "recruit" for chain schools that dont require you to pay them any money, and often times they will be based in North America which allows for easy communication times....you can find "good" jobs abroad, and you can find "good" ones here too....either way, it all comes down to what your priorities are....you're not going to get hired at a small school from abroad, odds are you'll have to go with a chain school...chains have theirs pros & cons which i'm sure you've read about on this board....

Sherp wrote:
Ideally I will have employment secured by (at the latest) the end of August. I want to leave the doors open for the possibility of returning to graduate studies during the following year. So really, this means that I need to find a job within the 60-day visa window. Any advice?


If you have a time frame in mind for arrival and departure, the safest bet is to find something with a large chain online, that can usually guarantee you a start date & end date to your liking, they will also be the most helpful in making sure your visa gets processed in due time...

Sherp wrote:
I should also add: I am not overly concerned with making tons of money. Rather, I would ideally like to get a job that allows enough time to do some traveling (around the island as well as off) while living comfortably, or like a local. In other words, I won't be dropping $100 at the bar every weekend...


The average chain school work week is going to run you between 20-30 hours, so you'll have lots of time to travel, and at the same time, you'll meet lots of teachers in the same position as you, and you'll develop a lot of friends to do some traveling with....if money isnt your main concern, then this route could just be the safest bet...obviously you can roll the dice and come here without a job, and find something better than a chain, but if you're looking for a "safe-landing" then usually chains are the best bet....and I'd love to see you spend $100CDN/USD at the bar, I can buy 3 Taiwan beers at the 7/11 for $100NT, that equates to about 100 beers...if you can do that in a weekend then kudos...and ganbei! Surprised
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Nadrazi



Joined: 26 Apr 2007
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BigWally wrote:
AVOID RECRUITERS LIKE THE PLAGUE....that being said, you can find people who "recruit" for chain schools that dont require you to pay them any money, and often times they will be based in North America which allows for easy communication times....you can find "good" jobs abroad, and you can find "good" ones here too....either way, it all comes down to what your priorities are....you're not going to get hired at a small school from abroad, odds are you'll have to go with a chain school...chains have theirs pros & cons which i'm sure you've read about on this board....

Can you elaborate on that a bit? Why should you avoid recruiters especially considering the ones that do not charge you any money? I found several of them online with little searching. What's the main drawback of using online recruiters other than the fact that you'll most likely be working with a chain?
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BigWally



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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

what i was referring to was the recruiters who charge you for their services....often times they will have a quota to fill, and will fill your head with empty promises just to get you here, and then when you're here nothing comes true....

the recruiters who work for a specific school, thats a different story, they are usually more reliable, but as you noted, they usually work for larger chain schools...

either way, DON'T sign a contract with a recruiter, ONLY sign a contract that is with a school, people have been screwed over before signing with recruiters where the recruiter can garnish some of their wages for finding them a job....its easy enough to find work, so don't sweat it....
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pinkflyd7



Joined: 31 Jul 2006
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Location: Austin, TX (previously Taichung City)

PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I came to Taiwan in 2004 with no job, and lived in a hostel in Taipei for a month before I found a job. In Taipei, I was only offered part time jobs that were maybe 4 hours a week, so I ended up accepting a full time job in Hsinchu. So if you're willing to get out of Taipei, it's not too hard to find a job. Many of the small towns will bend over backwards to get a teacher because most teachers won't go there. A friend of mine worked in a town called Lumbei, and he was the only foreigner there. They offered him free housing, free meals, and a free scooter. In about two years, the guy saved a small fortune.
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