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Girl Scout



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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 12:22 am    Post subject: Grammar: bored v boring Reply with quote

I need some suggestions. My students are using boring when them mean to say bored.

(ex) I am so boring.

I have tried to explain the underlying meaning. I have given them the grammatical explanation. I have given a number of examples. I need a more subtle approach to this mistake.

They are college students, which I know does not say much for their abilities. This problem is persistent at all level.

P.S. Don't bore me with technical jargon. Been there, done that. It didn't work.
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tw



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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 1:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am bored because there is nothing to do.

I am a very boring person -- I don't like doing anything.
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The Voice Of Reason



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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm bored = I'm not doing anything interesting / I have nothing interesting to do
I'm boring = I'm not an interesting person

Draw two people, A + B, watching snooker (or another sport) on TV
Write: A doesn't like snooker. A is bored. A thinks snooker is boring.
Write: B likes snooker. B isn't bored. B thinks snooker is interesting.

Tell the class about two new teachers, C + D:
C is interested only in collecting toothpicks and talks non-stop about his/her toothpick collection, and even the good students fall asleep in his/her class. D has traveled around the world and has done a variety of different kinds of jobs, and when he/she talks all the students pay close attention.Teacher C is boring. Teacher C's students are bored. Teacher D is interesting. Teacher D's students are interested.

The next time a student says "I'm boring" look surprised and ask them if they like toothpicks. Hopefully this’ll prompt self-correction.
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AussieGuyInChina



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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

With Chinese students, it's not just bored / boring. They confuse almost every adjective; interested / interesting, excited / exciting, et al.

Tell them, and continually remind them, to use "ed" when talking about themselves, and "ing" when talking about other people / places / activities.
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sheeba



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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is from Headway Pronunciation Intermediate -

'It is easy to confuse -ed and -ing adjectives. When we talk about THINGS, we usually use an -ing adjective.
However, when we talk about PEOPLE we can often use BOTH types of adjective, but the MEANING IS DIFFERENT.


a) Your granny's disgusted .
b)your sister's disgusting ( a real minger)

in a the meaning is DISGUST Granny
Granny feels disgust.

in b the meaning is Sister Disgust
Your sister causes disgust.


Perhaps too technical but there you go . I think it's quite simple to understand and my students would get it . In fact I'm gonna try the exercises that go with this in headway next week .
I could give you the exercises that go with this from headway if you want . Just tell me .
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Steppenwolf



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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sheeba wrote:
This is from Headway Pronunciation Intermediate -

'It is easy to confuse -ed and -ing adjectives. When we talk about THINGS, we usually use an -ing adjective.
However, when we talk about PEOPLE we can often use BOTH types of adjective, but the MEANING IS DIFFERENT.



I never thought of the issue this way...

How about pointing out that the 'ed participle adjectives are passive, while the -ing adjectives are active?
Then you will have to explain 'active' versus 'passive' voices and be in the middle of a grammar issue.
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latefordinner



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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's pretty much been my approach as well, Stepp. It has worked well for me. Mind you, I tend to sneek up behind students and "BOO!" frighten them (frightening/frightened) and otherwise demonstrate the grammar as much as possible.
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Shakhbut



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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I taught this the other week. My approach has always been that -ed is internal and -ing is external.
Examples:
I'm excited because the football match is exciting.
I'm bored because this lesson is boring.
My girlfriend is disgusting so I am disgusted (or not ). Wink
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andrew_gz



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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks all!
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Henry_Cowell



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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steppenwolf wrote:
How about pointing out that the 'ed participle adjectives are passive, while the -ing adjectives are active?

And boring can take a direct object. So the next student who says "I am boring" will hear her/his classmates shout in response:

"Yes, you are boring us!!"
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erinyes



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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a whole lessons worth, it's not only bored/ing it's excited/ing and shocked/ing....

use many examples, make a dialogue, ask the stdents to read and remember the dialogue, then get them to make their own, concentrating on ed/ing.

It is, that is they are ...ing (this is OTHER THAN SELF, another THING or another person)

I am, I feel ...ed (this is the feeling...the emotion, usually inside self)

The confusing part will be:
He is boring (doing something to make me feel bored) or
He is bored (I can tell that he isn't interested)...
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Girl Scout



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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 4:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks all. I will try a number of different suggestions. I also have this problem with other adj., but some how it is bored/boring that convinced me they need some help.

One of the things that confuses me about this mistake is that my writing student do not write in this way, yet the same students will turn around and in an oral class and use these words incorrectly.
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latefordinner



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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nice touch, HenryC, and worth following up on. Who is doing what to whom?

On a related note, not long ago I had a student tell me that he likes to cook himself on the weekends. Hardly any burns at all, and it was only Monday morning.
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Gregor



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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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One of the things that confuses me about this mistake is that my writing student do not write in this way, yet the same students will turn around and in an oral class and use these words incorrectly.

This is confusing. You are confused. HA! See how that worked?? Not a bad idea to make sure that the Ss. recognize that these adjectives are actually verb forms (aka. participles). Or is that too much for these students?
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erinyes



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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Girl Scout wrote:
One of the things that confuses me about this mistake is that my writing student do not write in this way...


as they have time to think about it. it's not a matter of knowing the rule, it's a matter of production. the brain is a limited thing, with limited attention.

speking is a skill far different from writing.

When you students are speeking 1/2 of their production capacity is probably being used up by their stress levels, about 1/4 thinking about what is comming next with 1/4 on construction and grammer.

if you want to know more wiki some of the relationships between conition, memory and language prduction.
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