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djpoole



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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 12:39 pm    Post subject: If not NOVA then where?? Reply with quote

Ive been reading the discussion on NOVA, which leaves my head in a bit of a spin!!

It is, of course, a tempting place to start for newbie, but the various comments are off putting to say the least!!

Some of you have advised newbies to not even start with NOVA and to seek out employment elsewhere, can you make any suggestions of schools to try?

I will be applying from the UK and would like to be assisted with my accomodation.
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solarmist



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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think most of the people on this forum blow the Nova thing out of proportion. Nova is very much fast food English, and they overcharge for rent, but its a job and they do really help you get everything together. They pay decent wages, don't pay you late. And most people don't have any serious complaints (by serious I mean by making your life hell or something like that), they just don't like they way they do business and that a lot of the managers (trainers) are jackasses. Its stuff you see with every job that has high turn over and nearly no qualification requirements.

I personally know that I won't like the job when I get there, but it won't bother me either because I know what to expect. The people that seem to have the biggest problems with it are either people that this is their first real job(ie never had to work to support themself), qualified teacher, or people that have experience in Japan.

Its basically a mindless job and that bothers a lot of people, but if you don't mind doing what your told (whether its stupid or not), and show up on time, you shouldn't have any problem with this for a first job in Japan.

As far as I know Aeon, Nova, and Geos, all will help with your visa, and at least getting an apartment secured, but I think I remember someone saying that you have to pay first months rent when you move in (for Aeon that is). Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. Nova deducts rent from your salary, so I'm assuming that its after the fact.

Honestly, though the best first job in Japan would have to be the JET program, but the time frame is very strict and that's why I'm not going that way (I missed the deadline).

The majority of overseas hires are among the big four and JET because they have the resources to help with relocate a person and can do interviews overseas.
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djpoole



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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So youre going over to work for NOVA? When are you going?
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solarmist



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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm leaving on July 23rd.
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japolak



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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hey solarmist, can you describe how your interview was?
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Dipso



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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 1:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

solarmist wrote:
As far as I know Aeon, Nova, and Geos, all will help with your visa, and at least getting an apartment secured, but I think I remember someone saying that you have to pay first months rent when you move in (for Aeon that is). Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. Nova deducts rent from your salary, so I'm assuming that its after the fact.


You do indeed have to pay a month's rent when you move into your (single occupancy) Aeon apartment, but your last month is rent-free so it all works out in the end.
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solarmist



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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 1:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me it was basically an impulsive thing. I'm currently a first year graduate student and I was looking around the job fair and saw Nova was going to be at our school, so I talked to them and got an info packet, application, and an interview for the next day.

I filled out the application and did some research on Nova that night about what kind of stuff they ask. The normal stuff. Why do you want to work for us? Why Japan? Etc. Do you have any preferences for location? Any teaching experience?

I also came up with a list of my own questions. Like, what's rent like? Can you get internet in your apartment? What kind of promotions are available? What's the time frame for those? What's the dress code? Etc.

The next day I dressed nice (not business though as I didn't own a button up shirt and tie) and showed up about 30 min early. When I went in I gave her my application, copy of my passport, copy of my diploma, and showed her my original diploma. Then she went into the questions, and I would interrupt every now and then with my questions. I've been told that you have to come up with at least some kind of answer for every question when interviewing with Nova (I had one question I didn't really have an answer for, so we came back to it later and I made something up).

The next part of the interview was a mini lesson. You're given a few minutes to look over a page out of their Diplomat textbook to see the format (and everything is basically set for you, so you just have to follow along) and the interviewer plays a low level English student (I thought she did a really good job actually, I guess she had to deal with a lot of them) and you go though the lesson (like 5- 10 min) and afterward the interviewer will critique you, both good and bad.

Finally, the interviewer explains a little about the hiring process. She gives her recommendation (which is usually followed) and submits that and your application packet to Japan, which makes the final decision. They told me I'd get an email in about two weeks if they want me. After two weeks I got a letter (I have the letter and all written correspondence in the "Everything you want to ... Nova hiring" thread) saying they'd like to offer me a position contingent on passing a background check. It cost $50 and you list you jobs, addresses, schools, for like the last five years in order. This is just to make sure you can get a visa (it seems Japan won't give out visas if you have almost any record) and your not a child molester.

Check out the other thread for what happens after that.
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solarmist



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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a good point. Unless you ask for it, and they have it available Nova apartments are double or triple occupancy.
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Jon Taylor



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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 4:07 am    Post subject: Re: If not NOVA then where?? Reply with quote

djpoole wrote:
Ive been reading the discussion on NOVA, which leaves my head in a bit of a spin!!

It is, of course, a tempting place to start for newbie, but the various comments are off putting to say the least!!

Some of you have advised newbies to not even start with NOVA and to seek out employment elsewhere, can you make any suggestions of schools to try?

I will be applying from the UK and would like to be assisted with my accomodation.



My advice.....Don't work at Nova.

There are some good jobs with many smaller but better schools.

Have a look in the International Job Forum. I advertise on their regularly and there's usually some good jobs and all offer accomodation.

Even as a newbie you should find yourself a 280,000 position teaching 20~25 hours pw.


You'd be surprised at the level of applicants that apply for these jobs. Most are awful with badly laid out resumes and poor photos. I am always able to whittle down all of my applicants just by opening their application and reading the first few words of their cover letters.

Write a brief cv, attatch a nice formal photo of yourself, write a very brief cover letter and there's every chance you'll get something much better than Nova could offer.

You'll also be able to choose between the areas you would like to work.

There aren't too many applicants from the UK so you should have no problem finding something very good.
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stillnosheep



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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

solarmist wrote:
Nova [made me pay for] a background check. It cost $50 and you list you jobs, addresses, schools, for like the last five years in order. This is just to make sure you can get a visa.

Rubbish.

A background check is not a Japan immigration requirement for a visa.

To my knowledge no other large eikaiwa chains require one.

No reputable firm would ask a prospective employee to pay for such a check. If a company wish/are requred to carry out such a check they should pay for it.

Effectively you are paying Nova a hiring fee to offect some of their costs in hiring you. And this cost isn't even a necessary cost. Nova choose to run background checks on new (foreign, but not Japanese) employees. Nova are in desperate financial straights at present. Nova are trying to pass on the costs of these checks to new employees. Don't let them get away with it. Nova should pay for their own checks.
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ironopolis



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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hadn't realised Nova require this background check, although I've known a lot of people who worked there. It's true that it's not a requirement for a visa. If this is something they've started fairly recently, then I suspect it'll be because they've had their fingers burnt a few times when they've employed people who turned out to be pretty dodgy.

To be honest, I think Nova should bear the cost of such a check, or at least offer reimbursement of the fee as long it comes out clear and you take the job. However, it's not actually unheard of for the applicant for a job involving access to children to have to bear the cost of the background check. I've had to get a police background check(and pay the cost of it) for jobs I've applied for outside of Japan before, and posts on this site indicate quite a few other people have as well.

Many teaching jobs in Japan (perhaps even most) don't do any kind of background check, even though they're employing people with access to young children. Personally, I'd rather have people checked for any previous that would make them a potential risk to the children they'll have access to, first and foremost.

At the end of the day, if you're given the choice of an eikaiwa that checks if you're a child molester and one that doesn't, you can decide if this is something that bothers you and choose accordingly.
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solarmist



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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A background check is not a Japan immigration requirement for a visa.


Sorry, I didn't word that well. No a background check is not a requirement, but if while they're processing your Visa they find out that you have any kind of criminal record (at least from the US) they will almost 100% reject your visa application. This is why Nova wants a background check to ensure they're not wasting time on you.

I do agree that a lot of these costs should be borne by Nova and other companies, but I totally see why they do it that way, because they have such high turn over it saves them tons of money.
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solarmist



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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 12:02 pm    Post subject: Re: If not NOVA then where?? Reply with quote

Jon Taylor wrote:

My advice.....Don't work at Nova.

There are some good jobs with many smaller but better schools.

Have a look in the International Job Forum. I advertise on their regularly and there's usually some good jobs and all offer accomodation.

Even as a newbie you should find yourself a 280,000 position teaching 20~25 hours pw.


You'd be surprised at the level of applicants that apply for these jobs. Most are awful with badly laid out resumes and poor photos. I am always able to whittle down all of my applicants just by opening their application and reading the first few words of their cover letters.


I do agree that's often a much better option, but the problem is most companies have two issues with this. 1.) Most won't hire without a face to face interview (so they want someone already in Japan), 2.)Most want someone already with a work visa (Its a lot of work to go through with someone you've never met and don't know will fit at your company).

One thing I do want to say that's in favor of working for one of the big four is that its consistent, you know that thousands of people have worked for them and the majority at least have a neutral view of them. Its like Mac Donalds, sure its isn't good but you know what your getting. Where as with the small companies they're all over the scale (I've heard stories of companies forcing teachers to hand over their passports, for "safe keeping", to make sure they don't quit.). You can find some of the best jobs and some of the worst jobs this way and unless you can actually see what you're getting into you're taking a gamble.

So, its quite a gamble for a small company to hire overseas for both the company and the prospective employee. Where as large companies can just go hire a new person, small companies have serious expectations of whoever they hire, so they may only have one or two English teachers, so if one they just hired doesn't work out they're S.O.L for the next two months as they look for a new teacher.

Sorry, I was a little long winded.
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japolak



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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did they give you the location that you want to live/teach in?
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solarmist



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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They did, but I knew they would before the interview. I'm very good at finding out how to get what I want and then doing that. I wanted to be in Osaka, and they have a multimedia center there, so I just applied to that. And once I'm there a little while I'll transfer to a branch where I can get face to face experience
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