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Religion in Japan
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3rdEye



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2003 5:29 pm    Post subject: Nutshells? Reply with quote

shmooj wrote:
Congratulations BenJ, I think that was the impression 3rdEye was trying to achieve. Wink



Hmmm? Feeling confounded? In all honesty, I tried to describe it in very concise terms (short and sweet). Sorry if you weren't familiar with it. But golly, even that was considered too excessive for the nutshell dude. Sorry, but explaining it all in even greater detail and more depth would definitely go well beyond a nutshell or two or three...

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shmooj



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2003 3:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like you were trying to show off to me. But there we are...
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3rdEye



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 6:47 am    Post subject: The subject is the object. Reply with quote

shmooj wrote:
Sounds like you were trying to show off to me. But there we are...

Why would it sound that way at all? As someone said, the question of what you think of others, is really a question of what you think of yourself... What you think is what you get.

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BenJ



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

because of the highly-jargonised language you were using I guess.
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

3rdEye,
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In my case, in a nutshell, I've studied Hokke-related metaphysics on intersubjectivity, paradox and social action that may generally be traced historiographically to Minobu, Hiei and Tiantai-associated thoughts and practices, which in turn can be connected to Nagarjuna, and by tradition to Shakasama. Though after all of that, it seems the best way (for me) is to come down from the "mountain" (whether literal or symbolic) and live up the best through the worst.


I was confused too. Does this involve a lot of faith?
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guest of Japan



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I can do a translation.

"I studied a bunch metaphysical stuff that can never be proven. I'm not making this stuff up, really. There is a lot of history to it, but nobody knows about it. After my studies I got lonely and I wanted to show everyone just how smart and aware I am of the greater meanings of life. I guess I kind of see myself as a Buddha, so I thought I'd show everybody how great I am. You can be like me. It's simple really. I don't actually like you people, but I feel saintly by being amongst you."

I might have made a few translation mistakes. Feel free to check my work.
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J-Pop



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 1:30 pm    Post subject: Laughing Reply with quote

Laughing I'm laughing, well--only smiling now, for the most part.
Hey, laughing is good, yes?

Somehow, it seems this thread is slightly veering off the topic. I don't know why I'm thinking that--just a guess? Cool

However, in an attempt--as feeble as it might be--to get back on track, here's a book that I'd recommend (no need to read the whole thing):

Practically Religious: Worldly Benefits and the Common Religion of Japan, by Ian Reader & George J. Tanabe, Jr. (1998). As noted, the Introduction especially, IMO, is nicely done. The intro. discusses the practical role & function of both Buddhism & Shinto (unique to Japan, btw) in the lives of ordinary Japanese people.

Another book (a bit uneven? quite good on certain aspects of Japan, not so good on others) that has a chapter, "Religious Influences," (a nice discussion): Understanding Japanese Society, by Joy Hendry.

Carry on, fellow troopers, in the Battle of Life! Very Happy


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J-Pop



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 6:41 pm    Post subject: North Koreans? Reply with quote

Gordon wrote:

Personally, I think Pachinko is the main religion here.

That reminds me. When I was there, I heard from several people that the Pachinko parlors (parlours? Brit spelling?), were mostly owned by North Koreans. When me & my bud first heard this we honestly thought it was either intended as a joke or simply some kind of racist-type slur.

Later, after we kept hearing this (& saw a news report? on NHK, maybe) it seems like it might be true. Anyone ever heard this? Just curious.
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3rdEye



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 6:17 am    Post subject: Simple Reply with quote

BenJ
You have the power and potential to realise it. Don't be held back from realising. Not even by me.

Gordon,
That is just an expedient historical outline. Actually, it involves study, practice and faith at the right moments and ways as it unfolds. In short, the answer to your question is the question itself.

guest of Japan,
Sorry, but its never been about me, its all about you as you can see. You will find your way.

Not peace. Hope.
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guest of Japan



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the words of my lovely verbose students, "I'm fine thank you, and you?"
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BenJ



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

what is it? I thought I was pretty good at it already!
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
the answer to your question is the question itself.


Question Question I take it, it takes a ton of faith to believe in that.
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J-Pop



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 1:26 pm    Post subject: dialogue Reply with quote

Intriguing, to note the quality of communication (overt & covert Cool) that can take place by--for the most part--relying on single sentences. Laughing
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