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partialtone
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Haha, good one brother. Be careful next time when you have no clue what you are talking about though, you are just setting yourself up.
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| Or, you could actually be a real teacher for one moment in your life and teach them the right way to say it. What a concept! |
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| there is more to teaching than telling |
What exactly were you expecting from this topic? Hunter lesson plans or more freeform? Vygotsky, Piaget, or Dewey possibly? Or maybe you wanted to suggest taking it back to square one and talking to the parents to set up an IEP. Maybe you just didn't want to take the time to read through some ed journals to help the original poster.
Please brother, spare me your self-righteous and ambiguous "words of wisdom" and say something worth a damn. |
I am sorry if I ruffled your feathers. It was not intentional. |
Thanks man. Anyways, I shouldn't get carried away over this kind of thing anyways. The "real teacher" comment had me going 0 to 60 in no time though, haha. Well markle, I start my first year in Japan in September so it doesn't look like you're getting rid of me any time soon. I love the irony of it all though; you busted my chops a bit in the "amn't" thread and I've learned my lesson. Good times. |
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Yawarakaijin
Joined: 20 Jan 2006
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Location: Middle of Nagano
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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I don't mean to put my nose where it does not belong but I have a hard time figuring out where nonsmokers nasty little remark came from considering......
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Ok, I am a 23 year old guy who just graduated last year with a BSc in Business/International Business. No real teaching experience. But I do love kids and I am absoluely in love with Japan and it's culture all while trying to learn the language (which I equally enjoy). I have been to many different places in Europe so culture shock is something that I can adapt to relatively easily. Given my bio, what are my chances of landing a 250K job in Japan and being able to enjoy my time in that beautiful country before I decide what I want to do for the rest of my life? Where should I begin looking - big 4 or independent private schools?
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R.D. |
I really can't stand the holier than thou attitude and the totally useless pot shots people take on this board |
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Eva Pilot
Joined: 19 Mar 2006
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Location: Far West of the Far East
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 2:52 am Post subject: |
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| Yawarakaijin wrote: |
| I really can't stand the holier than thou attitude and the totally useless pot shots people take on this board |
It's one of life's little pleasures. And it's so easy around these parts.  |
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fox1
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I'm just wondering if anyone has checked the dictionary, the old-fashioned way, of all these posters, to check if, in fact, "they are busy in studying" is grammatically acceptable?
I'm the one who started this thread, but, like I said in that very post, the teacher got out the dictionary, and, I have to grudgingly admit, there it was "busy in" is actually English.
just a thought, not that I would ever teach "they are busy in studying". |
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nonsmoker
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Yawarakaijin wrote: |
I don't mean to put my nose where it does not belong but I have a hard time figuring out where nonsmokers nasty little remark came from considering......
I really can't stand the holier than thou attitude and the totally useless pot shots people take on this board |
You, my friend, have the coolest name ever (Seriously).
Yawarakaijin!!!!
Rock-on.[/i] |
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furiousmilksheikali
Joined: 31 Jul 2006
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Location: In a coffee shop, splitting a 30,000 yen tab with Sekiguchi.
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm just wondering if anyone has checked the dictionary, the old-fashioned way, of all these posters, to check if, in fact, "they are busy in studying" is grammatically acceptable? |
Grammatically acceptable is one thing, but you don't want to teach things that are simply grammatically acceptable. "Colourless green dreams sleep furiously" is grammatical but completely meaningless.
So what are you trying to get the students to do? Are you asking them to construct grammatical sentences that sound so odd that no native speaker ever uses? It's possible that the student could be understood by every native speaker he/she says the sentence to but I wouldn't be satisfied with having my students speak like that. |
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fox1
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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| furiousmilksheikali wrote: |
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| I'm just wondering if anyone has checked the dictionary, the old-fashioned way, of all these posters, to check if, in fact, "they are busy in studying" is grammatically acceptable? |
Grammatically acceptable is one thing, but you don't want to teach things that are simply grammatically acceptable. "Colourless green dreams sleep furiously" is grammatical but completely meaningless.
So what are you trying to get the students to do? Are you asking them to construct grammatical sentences that sound so odd that no native speaker ever uses? It's possible that the student could be understood by every native speaker he/she says the sentence to but I wouldn't be satisfied with having my students speak like that. |
um, did you read my opening post, or my 2nd one (the one you responded to)? |
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markle
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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| fox1 wrote: |
| if anyone has checked the dictionary, ...if..., "they are busy in studying" is grammatically acceptable? |
You don't use a dictionary to check grammar. You use it to get the definition of a word. |
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zorro (3)
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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Someone has been reading Chomsky.
It doesn't sound right to you Fox no? Me neither. Nor anyone else who has posted on this so far. There you go then. It's an unusual utterance. Case closed.
'In' indicates some kind of containment. Studying is not contained. |
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Henry_Cowell
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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Case closed.
'In' indicates some kind of containment. Studying is not contained. |
The case isn't closed so quickly, my friend. You say that "studying is not contained," but I think that what you really meant to say is that "nothing is contained in studying."
I repeat one of my original examples:
In studying--as in anything else-- diligence and perseverance pay off.
Is there "containment" in that statement? |
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zorro (3)
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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Looking at the prototypical meaning of 'in', there is containment.
I'm in my car.
He was in the Gulf.
Is there any water in my cup?
In studying (the act of).....
Perhaps this example demonstrates that we conceptualise something that has a definite beginning and a definite end as being contained within time?
I'll call you in the week.
Then there is the old 'I'm in love...' Why is in used here? Is love contained????
Cognitive linguistics is an interesting, but sometimes frustrating area. |
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