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tofuman
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TW,
I get absolutely no pleasure whatsoever from reading of your difficulties. I do, indeed, feel your pain.
For some strange reason, you think that referring to your educational qualifications is "nitpicking." Please help me to understand. Did you not lose your position and return to Canada to find other employment because of those qualifications? Is it not possible that this is an issue even now?
I would consider being refused contract renewal when I desire a position is quite close to "being sacked" if not actually being sacked. Who's nitpicking here?
Anyway, I have no desire for a personal quarrel with you. I do hope you are successful.
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Mydnight
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
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Location: Guangdong, Dongguan
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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| I would consider being refused contract renewal when I desire a position is quite close to "being sacked" if not actually being sacked. Who's nitpicking here?
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Tofu,
This is 150 million percent complete rubbish. There are a billion and a half completely different inexplictable reasons as to why a school does not want to go on with a teacher. I've been in the position, more than thrice, where it has come down to they found an African (not dissing Africans or anything, but one guy I know can barely even speak English and he's teaching High School) or someone else they could get cheaper.
It usually comes down to matters of cash and has nothing to do AT ALL with the teacher or there abilities or even their lack thereof. I haven't been in a school that's cared about teachers since I left Sichuan in 2003. That's saying alot. |
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tofuman
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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So where's the rubbish, Mydnight? Regardless of the reason, being refused contract renewal is tantamount to being sacked.
You make a good point. There can be a multitude of reasons, some not very good ones. In the West, being sacked is usually a reflection on the employee. That may not be the case here; nevertheless, being declined contract renewal is essentially being sacked, fired, canned, given the boot, and so forth.
Admittedly, the purer, more accurate form would be dismissal during the contract. |
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Henry_Cowell
Joined: 27 May 2005
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Location: Berkeley
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| The bible-quoting "tofuman" once more demonstrates how un-Christian he can be to others. |
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kev7161
Joined: 06 Feb 2004
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Location: Suzhou, China
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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Often, in reference to being "sacked", your asked to leave right away due to whatever "bad behavior" you may have demonstrated on the job. Most businesses "sacking" an employee don't let the employee ride out the contract. Some business even buy out an employee's contract. Obviously, in China, the school doesn't want a breach scenario, but they do let teacher's go in a most cowardly of fasions - - meaning they won't even have a sit down with them if they are having problems with their job performance (again, not saying this is true about the OP).
I agree with Mydnight. Yes, perhaps the school is not happy with the teacher's performance but also perhaps it could be 101 other reasons as well. |
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OGFT
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 2:28 am Post subject: |
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| I have to agree with Tofu on this one. If they don't want you back, you've been sacked. Yea, they allow you to play out your contract and will likely give you a letter to send you on your way but to be let go when a contract is complete means either the job is done or they don't want the FT back. For whatever reason they have decided, this knowledge will do no good as this school may have a reason for their action that would never be considered by our cultural understanding of this industry |
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Mydnight
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
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Location: Guangdong, Dongguan
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 3:24 am Post subject: |
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| So where's the rubbish, Mydnight? Regardless of the reason, being refused contract renewal is tantamount to being sacked. |
If they don't want you back it usually means that you were only a temporary slot-filler until they could find someone more "suitable" or cheaper. 'Round here they like "fresh faces" in most schools so they change FTs like flat tires. Sorry, I don't see it as a reflection of my ability that I don't get "renewed" and by the time one horrendous term is finished, renewal is the furthest thing from my mind. I don't think I've been sacked before. I usually am the one that directly says "I won't be returning" if they want me to or not.
If you aren't renewed, and you had no complaints about your classes, they had ulterior motives from the beginning. TW looks Chinese...that's the same as being black in ESL. Insults on his ability to teach have little validity against this stark fact. |
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Moon Over Parma
Joined: 20 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 3:33 am Post subject: |
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| OGFT wrote: |
| I have to agree with Tofu on this one. If they don't want you back, you've been sacked. Yea, they allow you to play out your contract and will likely give you a letter to send you on your way but to be let go when a contract is complete means either the job is done or they don't want the FT back. |
As an outsider looking in; under such circumstances it would appear that it's about "face." They don't cause you to lose it and you don't cause them to lose it. Everybody goes through the motions until the agreement concludes and they walk away and move on with life. It's clinical. It's cold. It betrays a western concept of trust and integrity, but if that is what TW gets then it's far from the worst that could happen. This is not to trivialize what I'm reading about his plight, and it doesn't make his situation any better, but if that is how it plays out then it's far better than some of the horror stories regarding jobs that I've seen in the forums.
TW: I don't know you but I know of what you've written thus far, and it appears to me that you have the life skills to move on and be up on your feet soon enough. Good luck. |
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OGFT
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 3:40 am Post subject: |
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| it as a reflection of my ability that I don't get "renewed" |
Ability is only one consideration of employment in China and may be a consideration as to hiring in the first place but may have little to do with performance eval towards the end of the contract. The Chinese staff really do not have the skills to decide what kind of applicant they want before the fact but later will be able to eliminate on what they do not expect or dissapointments as to a FT's work abilities. Because the standard contract directs the school to make a request for continued contractual obligation, any failure to do so is tanamount to not being resigned. |
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Mydnight
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
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Location: Guangdong, Dongguan
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 4:11 am Post subject: |
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| Ability is only one consideration of employment in China and may be a consideration as to hiring in the first place but may have little to do with performance eval towards the end of the contract. The Chinese staff really do not have the skills to decide what kind of applicant they want before the fact but later will be able to eliminate on what they do not expect or dissapointments as to a FT's work abilities. Because the standard contract directs the school to make a request for continued contractual obligation, any failure to do so is tanamount to not being resigned. |
So you are saying this under the assumption that the school gives a rat's ass about the foreign teacher? It's been my experience that as long as there are no complaints, then everything is fine. I AM SURE TW had no complaints. It is not elimination. It is a convenient way to fulfill their ulterior motives. TW doesn't look the "foreigner" so he is getting the typical discrimination. Nobody has the ability to foresee the quality of a teacher beforehand, but that is what a DEMO CLASS is for.
Dissappointments? Around here, most schools expect the foreign teacher to perform some kind of miracle after they have made it nearly impossible for them to do a good job. One school I am in now, all the CTs were outfitted with laptops and textbooks whilst I'm stuck with a blackboard and a featureless, black-and-white "oral" exercise book that I have pay for the copies myself. I just don't see it as much of a reason for me to try my hardest when I have to already overcome such odds. I was also told I should suppliment the Chinese teacher's lesson...topics that most grade 5 students could already be able to do. How disappointed was I?
They more than likely don't want to "resign" me because I've had numerous problems with the administration like when they pay me 2 weeks late, but I've already told them I am not coming back. Does this mean that they want to "fire" me according to your criteria? |
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