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markle
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| gaijinalways wrote: |
No, I am disagreeing with the bolded part, that white people are not discriminated aganist in their home countries. I would say in my case it doesn't happen often, but it does happen, just not on the regular basis like it happens here. Sorry if that wasn't clear the first time through.  |
Sorry my mistake, although I must say that I wonder what kind of discrimination you've faced back home. |
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gaijinalways
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 8:04 am Post subject: |
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Depends on the area. Where I grew up, it generally wasn't an issue, but in some areas of the US it can be. Of course, generally speaking, it's still easier growing up white with European ethnic roots than Asian or other ethnic groups, but then again, generally speaking these people are more accepted than we would ever be in Japan. You would never have a shop owner in the US tell a perosn to move away from his door, and certainly the judge wouldn't defend the action in court that it was okay because the person asked to move was non-Japanese.  |
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furiousmilksheikali
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Nationalism, DPRK-style:
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Pyongyang, May 27 (KCNA) -- Patriotism comes out of high pride and confidence in the superiority and strength of one's own country and nation, says Rodong Sinmun today in a signed article.
It goes on:
A genuine patriot loves his own things and steadily glorifies them.
Ours are all the precious things in this land; the ideological, moral and material wealth we have achieved in the course of the revolution and construction with our own wisdom, enthusiasm and efforts under the leadership of the great leaders and the great party, the time-honored history and brilliant cultural tradition created by our nation and the beautiful mountains and rivers of the country.
For the Korean people, their own things are associated with the socialist motherland. The socialist motherland is the whole of ours.
Warm love for one's own serves as the source of high national self-respect and revolutionary pride.
The Korean people have lived in this land down through generations and created a lot of wealth, which the nation can boast in the world, by their own diligent efforts and amazing talents. Such proud people can hardly be found in the world as the Korean people who have the great guiding idea clearly indicating the way for carving out the nation's destiny and live and make revolution in the advantageous socialist system where the perfect unity in mind has been realized and the independent position and the creative role of the popular masses are ensured on the highest level.
In the past period of the "Arduous March" and the forced march, the Korean people built world-startling monumental edifices with high ambition and in a do-or-die spirit without vacillation despite grave ordeals.
Nothing can break the spirit of the popular masses who advance full of confidence and vigor, regarding as the most precious the edifices built by themselves and the blood and sweats permeated in them.
The warm love for one's own things serves as the motive force for consolidating the self-supporting national economy in any circumstances.
The future of our country is very rosy as there are many genuine patriots who unhesitatingly devote their blood and sweats before saying that they love the country, the people who devotedly strive to make ours much more and better than others'. |
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gaijinalways
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 12:40 am Post subject: |
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| There is another forum where the differences between nationalism and patriotism are being discussed. PM me if you're interested, I may throw in some bits here later with a link. |
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ironopolis
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Errm....not really too sure of the usefulness or relevance here of a comparison with or reference to North Korea, particularly an extract from a party newspaper, and one very badly translated into English at that.
I suppose it might be useful to any newbies torn between whether to teach in Japan or the DPRK   |
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furiousmilksheikali
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Location: In a coffee shop, splitting a 30,000 yen tab with Sekiguchi.
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| ironopolis wrote: |
Errm....not really too sure of the usefulness or relevance here of a comparison with or reference to North Korea, particularly an extract from a party newspaper, and one very badly translated into English at that.
I suppose it might be useful to any newbies torn between whether to teach in Japan or the DPRK |
It's not useful, like this thread. This type of thing comes up again and again: "How racist are the Japs?"
This particular thread was started by a poster intent on starting trouble and has, by the looks of things, been banned. Thankfully.
Anyway, the KCNA often churns out this type of amusing propaganda about Japan's "extra-large war crimes" committed by "flunkeyist conservatives", "the imperialists and their running dog allies" against "the inestimable and peace-loving warrior people of Korea".
Check it out, it's an interesting read. Here is a story on Ishihara.
http://www.kcna.co.jp/index-e.htm
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Japan's Distortion of History under Fire
Pyongyang, May 29 (KCNA) -- Rodong Sinmun Tuesday flails foolish remarks of Tokyo Governor Ishihara denying Japan's crimes in forcibly recruiting "comfort women" for the Imperial Japanese Army.
The analyst says:
Ishihara plays a pivotal role among the ultra-rightist elements with a strong influence in Japan�s power and political sphere and he is steeped in militarism, revanchism and national chauvinism. With this taken into account, his distortion of history is of very grave and dangerous nature.
His denial of the crimes related to the "comfort women" is a militaristic folly aimed at achieving a sinister political purpose against history.
Those crimes are extra-large crimes against humanity committed by the Japanese imperialists in the past.
Ishihara with eyes and ears and cognitional ability must be aware of the crimes in reducing women to sex slaves for the Imperial Japanese Army. Yet he has the cheek to openly assert that "the Japanese army never recruited 'comfort women'". This is a total denial of the Japanese imperialists' crimes of sexual slavery without precedent in history and a shameless distortion of history. His jargon is a mockery of the victims to the forcible drafting of "comfort women" and a malicious challenge to the world public sentiments demanding the settlement of the hideous crimes by Japan.
History is like a mirror. It cannot be distorted or erased. The history of the crimes committed by Japan can never be covered up.
The Japanese right-wing conservative forces must stop distorting history, deeply bearing in mind that they will invite only international isolation and destruction, if they persist in such act. |
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ironopolis
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 2:55 am Post subject: |
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| furiousmilksheikali wrote: |
| ironopolis wrote: |
Errm....not really too sure of the usefulness or relevance here of a comparison with or reference to North Korea, particularly an extract from a party newspaper, and one very badly translated into English at that.
I suppose it might be useful to any newbies torn between whether to teach in Japan or the DPRK |
It's not useful |
Really? And there was me thinking it might be 
Seriously, I do actually agree with your point that the "racist Japs" one gets overdone and overdone and as I said myself further up this thread, this is often (but not always) by people who just can't handle the fact that, for once, it's they themselves who are in the discriminated against minority although they haven't actually had it particularly bad at all.
There again, if the above is your opinion of this thread, it seems strange that you should keep adding to it. Personally, I always thought the best approach to threads I considered silly was to leave them and either let them die or let others get on with it.
Although given that compared to me you've posted on here more than 6 times as much in less than a third of the time since joining, then I suspect this last point is one we'll have to agree to differ on...... |
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gaijinalways
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It's true, it's not as useful as it could be as the title of the thread is a bit provocative, but I disagree that it's not useful at all. I think some people don't like talking about uncomfortable subjects or rather they think it is a small problem until they are faced with it personally.
Or of course, it could be a polarized dialogue doesn't offer enough clarity to fully examine the issue. |
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furiousmilksheikali
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Location: In a coffee shop, splitting a 30,000 yen tab with Sekiguchi.
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 6:35 am Post subject: |
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| gaijinalways wrote: |
It's true, it's not as useful as it could be as the title of the thread is a bit provocative, but I disagree that it's not useful at all. I think some people don't like talking about uncomfortable subjects or rather they think it is a small problem until they are faced with it personally.
Or of course, it could be a polarized dialogue doesn't offer enough clarity to fully examine the issue. |
Believe me I don't mind talking about uncomfortable subjects, I find it a little annoying to talk about racism with those who are so blinded by their own prejudices, however. |
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gaijinalways
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I agree, it's a 'hot' topic, but is it better to talk about it and risk that some go overboard, or to ignore it and pretend like it's not really that bad to be the only developed country without laws banning discrimination?   |
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