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Dr.J
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 Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 6:29 am Post subject: But what does it all mean? |
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Hi, I'm your average new teacher with a degree and CELTA. I'm looking at the next step in the career ladder, but I'm confused by all the terminology and acronyms. Is there a simple explanation of all these somewhere? I mean DELTA, BA in TEFL, RSA diploma, 'MA in Language teaching', people bandy things like this around but I have no clue...
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dduck
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I surprised you don't know what the DELTA is. I would have thought it would have been discussed as part of your CELTA. C in CELTA stands for certificate, and D stands for diploma - the next level up.
A BA in TEFL, is a Bachelor of Arts in Teaching English as a Foreign Language - in other words a teaching degree. An MA is a Master of Arts, which is a post-graduate degree. Not sure myself what a RSA diploma is, it might be old terminology for a DELTA. There be some old folks around these 'erm parts.
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grahamb
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 10:27 am Post subject: RSA |
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I imagine the RSA Diploma is the Trinity College equivalent of the DELTA.
I too am surprised that someone with a degree has a problem with academic acronynms! |
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once again
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 10:33 am Post subject: |
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| As far as I am aware, RSA stands for the royal society of arts, and was the validating body ffor CELTA courses before cambridge took over. Might be wrong though. |
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shmooj
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Gordon
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| Once again, you're right again. |
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shmooj
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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BTW, the RSA Diploma is actually the old name for the DELTA.
BTW, BTW stands for by the way.  |
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gerard
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| I think dduck is wrong about 1 thing . (Only one.) A BA TEFL is not the same as a teaching degree. That is a Bachelor of Ed which qualifies you to teach public school. A BA TEFL did not exist 10 years ago when I was in Uni so I dont know what it is. I assume it is a general BA which is not a B ED. I think having this would be like having a degree in Drama or Pop and you would need another degree to teach. |
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Dr.J
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry, I didn't really make myself clear, and managed to look like a moron in the process...
I know what a DELTA is, and what the acronyms stand for, but what I'm asking is; how do the different qualifications relate to one another in terms of the time, effort and skill it takes to acquire them, and how are each of them viewed by employers in different countries? For example are you a better/more marketable teacher for passing the DELTA than you are doing a degree in TEFL at a university?
Post CELTA it seems to get very confusing, and I was hoping for some insights... |
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Gordon
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For example are you a better/more marketable teacher for passing the DELTA than you are doing a degree in TEFL at a university?
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I'd say it depends on where you are looking at working. Are you comparing a Masters in TEFL to a DELTA? Generally speaking, I'd say a Masters is more marketable. It takes 2 months of intensive study to do a DELTA and 1-2 years to get a Masters. A DELTA is more practical in terms of teacher training. Many Masters degrees don't even have a teaching practicum component in them. |
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dduck
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| gerard wrote: |
| A BA TEFL is not the same as a teaching degree. That is a Bachelor of Ed which qualifies you to teach public school. A BA TEFL did not exist 10 years ago when I was in Uni so I dont know what it is. I assume it is a general BA which is not a B ED. I think having this would be like having a degree in Drama or Pop and you would need another degree to teach. |
I'm not sure what a BA TEFL is either, but I think you're confusing two things: teaching TEFL and teaching in the US. To be a qualified, recognised, (and unloved) teacher in the US you need a B ED, whereas if you don't give a stuff about teaching in the US, then you could use a BA TEFL to teach English in a foreign country.
I'm making this up as I go along, so if you have real information, please let me know 
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Ben Round de Bloc
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If the T in TEFL stands for teaching, then how could someone teach TEFL? That would be like redundantly saying teaching teaching English as a foreign language. Perhaps it could refer to teacher training? I don't know.
It seem to me that if the name of the degree has the word teaching in it, such as TEFL, TESL, or TESOL, then education is implied. So, could someone get a BA in EFL, ESL, or ESOL without the teaching part involved? If so, what would he do with it?
I think I'm following dduck's lead and making this up as I go along, too.  |
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Gordon
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| As I understand, BA TEFLs are quite rare, and useless too I might add. What would it get you that any other Bachelors wouldn't? |
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shmooj
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I know that Dr. J's original post was not really about this but I just found another place on the web where you can find stuff relating to what terms are in ENglish teaching. THis one's a bit more comprehensive
http://bogglesworld.com/glossary.htm |
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dduck
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| Gordon wrote: |
| As I understand, BA TEFLs are quite rare, and useless too I might add. What would it get you that any other Bachelors wouldn't? |
If I studied BEng Mechanical Design I doubt I'd be any the wiser about teaching English. 
| Sussex University wrote: |
Course participants will explore the psychological, sociological and cultural factors affecting second language learning. They will study the grammar, vocabulary and pronunciation of English from the point of view of the foreign learner and will acquire the skills of TESOL through the observation of experienced professionals and their own supervised teaching practice.
Courses on the programme include Language Teaching Methods and Approaches, Curriculum Development and Syllabus Design and Second Language Acquisition. |
I'm not sure what the sylubus of a B Ed is, but the BA TESOL above looks like it's designed with a single objective in mind. I imagine a B Ed has to be generalific.
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