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sidjameson
Joined: 11 Jan 2004 Posts: 629 Location: osaka
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 8:30 am Post subject: A grammar question |
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I corrected my students English.
"All I have to do is staying" to "All I have to do is stay"
He told me that in his text "All I have to do is staying" is correct. I told him that this was not so, but to be honest I couldn't explain why.
Now I have never been the most confident teacher in the world when it comes to grammar. But I am correct right?
Also, what is the "stay/staying"? Is it a noun?
What should I tell my student?
Many thanks. |
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furiousmilksheikali

Joined: 31 Jul 2006 Posts: 1660 Location: In a coffee shop, splitting a 30,000 yen tab with Sekiguchi.
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 8:37 am Post subject: |
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"All I have to do is..." should be followed by a verb in the correct tense. In this case the verb "stay" is simple present. "Staying" is a gerund, which is basically a verb acting as a noun.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerund |
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Nismo

Joined: 27 Jul 2004 Posts: 520
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 8:49 am Post subject: |
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'Staying' is, also, present continuous. You can't presently continue to do something in the future.
It's the same reason you can't say, "I am going to eating." You can, however, say, "I am going to be eating," because the emphasis is thrown onto 'be', and so the context of the sentence is put into an action that you will be currently doing at a point in the future (but at that point the action will be in the present state).
If the student wants to emphasize that the action is continuing from now, he can make a sentence like, "All I have to do is continue to stay."
Also, tell your student to invest less faith in textbooks, especially if the authors are not native English speakers. |
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furiousmilksheikali

Joined: 31 Jul 2006 Posts: 1660 Location: In a coffee shop, splitting a 30,000 yen tab with Sekiguchi.
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 9:01 am Post subject: |
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Nismo wrote: |
'Staying' is, also, present continuous. You can't presently continue to do something in the future. |
No, but the present continuous form is often used to talk about the future, "I am working tomorrow."
The point is that in the OP's case that the verb must be of the same form as "do".
This is fine "All I am doing is staying".
This is fine "All I have to do is stay".
But not this: *"All I have to do is staying".
Nismo wrote: |
If the student wants to emphasize that the action is continuing from now, he can make a sentence like, "All I have to do is continue to stay." |
Or even "All I have to do is continue staying". As the verb "continue" can be followed by either an infinitive or a gerund.
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Also, tell your student to invest less faith in textbooks, especially if the authors are not native English speakers. |
This I agree with 100%. OP: What type of students are you teaching and what texts are they using? |
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JonnyB61

Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 216 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 9:30 am Post subject: |
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I haven't looked this up so please don't flame me if it's not quite right.
However, it seems to me that: all I have to do should be followed by a bare infinitive (ie. without to.
eg. All I have to do is be on time.
So, all I have to do is stay. is correct because it satisfies the need for a bare infinitive here.
And now I'm quite sure that I'm going to get torn to shreds by the Japan Board Jackals.  |
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furiousmilksheikali

Joined: 31 Jul 2006 Posts: 1660 Location: In a coffee shop, splitting a 30,000 yen tab with Sekiguchi.
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 9:41 am Post subject: |
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JonnyB61 wrote: |
I haven't looked this up so please don't flame me if it's not quite right.
However, it seems to me that: all I have to do should be followed by a bare infinitive (ie. without to.
eg. All I have to do is be on time.
So, all I have to do is stay. is correct because it satisfies the need for a bare infinitive here.
And now I'm quite sure that I'm going to get torn to shreds by the Japan Board Jackals.  |
Well, isn't that what I said Jonny? As far as I am aware there is no difference between a bare infinitive and a simple present verb. |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed

Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 3500 Location: Shhh...don't talk to me...I'm playin' dead...
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 10:53 am Post subject: |
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furiousmilksheikali wrote: |
"Staying" is a gerund |
Please to be giving "staying" as a gerund in a sentence, other than "Staying the course.".
NCTBA |
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JonnyB61

Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 216 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 11:46 am Post subject: |
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furiousmilksheikali wrote: |
Well, isn't that what I said Jonny? As far as I am aware there is no difference between a bare infinitive and a simple present verb. |
Surely am, is and are are simple present but be is the infinitive.
In the case of stay: stay and stays are the present simple, staying is the present participle and the gerund and stay is the infinitive.
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Please to be giving "staying" as a gerund in a sentence, other than "Staying the course.". |
How about: Staying in bed until lunchtime is my wife's idea of luxury.
Which is true, incidentally. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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All I have to do is (to) stay...
Think of it this way. |
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markle
Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 1316 Location: Out of Japan
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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furious has explained it simply and concisely can the rest of you shut up and stop muddying the waters with pointless second guessing. |
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JonnyB61

Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 216 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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markle wrote: |
furious has explained it simply and concisely can the rest of you shut up and stop muddying the waters with pointless second guessing. |
1: This was a civilised and fruitful thread before you posted that.
2: The Simple Present is not the same as the infinitive.
This is far easier to illustrate in French or German than in English.
3: Look at your own signature.
4: Who on earth do you think you are to tell other posters to 'shut up?' |
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sidjameson
Joined: 11 Jan 2004 Posts: 629 Location: osaka
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks.
All I have to do is stay
So the "stay" is a verb? The embarrassing thing is I once knew. |
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Sweeney Todd
Joined: 29 Apr 2007 Posts: 71 Location: The Dosshouse Down the Mile End Road
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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markle wrote: |
furious has explained it simply and concisely can the rest of you shut up and stop muddying the waters with pointless second guessing. |
You, Yes you Laddy, Stand still!
You are bang out of order telling other people to shut up!
What gives you the right?
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JonnyB61

Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 216 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, Sid, it's a verb and it's the infinitive of the verb.
Whenever I'm considering infinitives I try to think of an example using Be because it's the only verb in English where the infinitive is not repeated as some other part of the verb.
Consider: All I have to do is be on time.
All I have to do is am on time.
You don't need me to tell you which one is correct.
So, we have deduced that: All I have to do is must be followed by an infinitive.
Consequently, All I have to do is stay is correct for this reason.
I enjoy discussing grammar but sadly on this board it is all too often impossible to do it in a civilised and adult manner.
P.S. How much of this do you think Nonsmoker/Precise can follow? |
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sidjameson
Joined: 11 Jan 2004 Posts: 629 Location: osaka
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for that.
So if "stay" is a verb in the infinitive, what is the "is".......I thought this must be classified as a verb. But one of the rules etched on my brain is SVO.....never heard of SVVO  |
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