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PAzine
Joined: 22 May 2007 Posts: 45
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 2:55 am Post subject: Looking for easy work in a cool town |
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Hi there,
Care to help me do some advance planning?
I'm currently working in Taiyuan on a full time contract. I teach 19 hours a week, but with breaks and gaps and whatnot, I spend about 30 hours a week at the school.
Still, this gives me a lot of time to work on my main project (a web content system).
My contract is up in 6 months. Hopefully, my web project will be generating sufficient income by then. If not, China seems a good place to lay low and continue to earn the means to pursue my dream.
Here are my Q's:
1. Next February, how hard will it be for me to score a 6-month contract for LESS than 20 total hours a week (total teaching time plus time on site)? I guess I'll need a visa as well.
2. What's realistic wage for a gig like that? 6,000 RMB with free private accomodation would make me happy.
3. Where is a good place to spend spring 2008 that's chilled out and has a decent expat community?
4. If I end up in a remote place, will Internet access be an issue?
FYI, I'm a Canadian male (36) with solid teaching references from Japan, Korea, and Taiwan. |
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Steppenwolf
Joined: 30 Jul 2006 Posts: 1769
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 4:03 am Post subject: |
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Q 3: Yangshuo, GUangxi; alternatively: Kunming, Yunnan; Hong Kong; Macau; Shanghai... |
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SheZook
Joined: 31 Jan 2006 Posts: 187
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 4:23 am Post subject: |
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The only problem with Yangshuo during spring is the rain. It pretty much rains constantly.
Kunming's a bit bigger and there's a decent nightlife and in my opinion, a bit cleaner.
Never been to Macau but do plan to get there at some point. Hong Kong and Shanghai are big, noisy, vibrant and expensive places to "chill out".
Kunming's probably the best bet and is a good base if you're planning to travel to Vietnam/Laos/Thailand/Myanmar. |
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Mydnight

Joined: 08 Jan 2005 Posts: 2892 Location: Guangdong, Dongguan
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 4:34 am Post subject: |
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Stay out of Guangdong. There are your "better" places, but they simply do not compare with the other places I've been.
I wouldn't go to HK either.
Look for something in Sichuan; best in some small town that didn't have foreign teachers before. It will be one of the best experiences in your life. |
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waxwing
Joined: 29 Jun 2003 Posts: 719 Location: China
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 5:59 am Post subject: |
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Kunming is great - beautiful weather, clean, cool .. just enough Western style stuff to get by. ADSL is pretty solid. If you went to smaller towns in Yunnan, I'd have my doubts about the internet service which is obviously important for you.
But as for jobs, I don't know, and I would be amazed if it was easy to get a gig teaching English at 6K for less than 20 hours. Anyway, I'm out of my depth, I didn't teach there. Also, for visas, a trip to HK for renewal of an F costs a fair bit. |
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tofit
Joined: 22 Oct 2006 Posts: 47
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:03 am Post subject: |
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internet is not a problem. Even in the country side you can find an internet bars. With chickens and goats welcoming you at the door. |
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SheZook
Joined: 31 Jan 2006 Posts: 187
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:23 am Post subject: |
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I'm betting that the only place you'll be able to earn 6K a month for less than 20hrs is a Uni. Unless you plan on heading to a big city, in which case cost of living will be so much more.
I've worked in a variety of different schools/centres, both public and private, in different parts of China and I've never had to spend any extra time "on-site" other than for my scheduled classes. On average, my scheduled hours are between 15 and 20. I'm at a public senior high school at the moment, working 20hrs a week and I can choose to work overtime if I wish but I rarely do these days. I earn close to 6K every month but that's only because my school doesn't want me to leave and they keep giving me more money to stay. I do like the school but I'm tired of teaching kids. I've put my foot down this term though and I'm definitely going in 5 weeks, no matter how much money they offer. |
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waxwing
Joined: 29 Jun 2003 Posts: 719 Location: China
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:23 am Post subject: |
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tofit wrote: |
internet is not a problem. Even in the country side you can find an internet bars. With chickens and goats welcoming you at the door. |
The OP is trying to run a business over the internet apparently. That's why I mentioned it. In Zhongdian there were internet cafes for sure, but I doubt strongly they would suit the OP's purposes.
And I was talking about only Yunnan, not all of China. |
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lychee
Joined: 14 May 2007 Posts: 109
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:41 am Post subject: |
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Mynight,
If you hate Guangdong so much and you advise other people not to go there, why do you stay? Is it for the money? You always go on about how money orientated the Guangdong people are ?
So why stay in a place you hate ?
It is a bit sad that you complain and complain on this forum about the province and the Chinese. I wonder how your "20 Chinese friends" would feel after reading your posts"
Don'bite the hand that feeds you |
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PAzine
Joined: 22 May 2007 Posts: 45
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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waxwing wrote: |
Kunming is great - beautiful weather, clean, cool .. just enough Western style stuff to get by. ADSL is pretty solid. If you went to smaller towns in Yunnan, I'd have my doubts about the internet service which is obviously important for you. |
Kunming sounds pretty good. I read (in a thread on this site... something about dodgy teachers that borrowed money from a school) that a lot of "backpacker types" (which is supposed to I guess be a bad thing) go there and score easy work.
Hearing that was actually the seed that started me thinking. "Hmm... if "backpacker types" can stumble into places with their bongs and get good work easily, what could a person with credentials get?"
The idea being that a person with a solid resume, decent looks, and professional demeanor would be such a contrast to ragged stoners that schools would throw money and bask in their glory.
So I've had my eye on Kunming. Waxwing, the way you describe it is exactly how I imagined it.
That said, it's sounding like 6k for 20 hours a week might be aiming too high...
SheZook wrote: |
Kunming's probably the best bet and is a good base if you're planning to travel to Vietnam/Laos/Thailand/Myanmar. |
That makes it all the better. Nothing like an escape to SE Asia to decompress.
Mydnight wrote: |
Look for something in Sichuan; best in some small town that didn't have foreign teachers before. It will be one of the best experiences in your life. |
I imagine that at some point in my past, that would have been awesome.
But I'm too old now. Too set in my ways.
A drunken chat about foosball with classic rock coloring the background will be infinitely more relaxing -- and do so much more for my mental health -- than a hike into the mountains with local rubes to check out the pandas.
Ten years ago -- different story. |
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PAzine
Joined: 22 May 2007 Posts: 45
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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Still a bit concerned about net access, wherever I end up.
Here in Taiyuan (a city of 4 million), the broadband speeds are pretty slow.
And, for some reason, torrent downloads don't work (not relevant to my project, but still...)
Which reminds me... do you miss stuff like Wikipedia since you came to China? I did. And then someone passed me a link to a proxy server.
I might as well do the same. Bypass "the man" with this: http://server16.kproxy.com/
Just type in the URL you want to visit.  |
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waxwing
Joined: 29 Jun 2003 Posts: 719 Location: China
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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PAzine wrote: |
Kunming sounds pretty good. I read (in a thread on this site... something about dodgy teachers that borrowed money from a school) that a lot of "backpacker types" (which is supposed to I guess be a bad thing) go there and score easy work.
Hearing that was actually the seed that started me thinking. "Hmm... if "backpacker types" can stumble into places with their bongs and get good work easily, what could a person with credentials get?"
The idea being that a person with a solid resume, decent looks, and professional demeanor would be such a contrast to ragged stoners that schools would throw money and bask in their glory.
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Yeah .. you do know you're dreaming, right? Not only hippies and dropouts prefer to live in Kunming rather than Taiyuan!
And it's not a place swimming in money, unlike Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou and others. That's why I have my doubt about there being lots of work available. I wouldn't be surprised if it was hard to score a 4-5K a month gig teaching English there (well, depending on hours of course). Not only is there bound to be much less demand, but also you're competing with Mandarin students and other hardcore sinophiles. Admittedly the logic of what I'm saying is not watertight. Maybe I'm pessimistic. Let's hear from someone who teaches there. I just bummed around there for a couple of months  |
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jammish

Joined: 17 Nov 2005 Posts: 1704
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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No, it's true, kunming is extraordinarily hard to get a decent ESL teaching job in. At my school in dalian I get over 10,000 a month, with paid acommodation and 5 months' odd of paid holidays. That's for an eighteen hour working week.
My colleague here has looked in kunming many times but found nothing, despite being qualified enough to get a job where we are.
Of course, i'm not complaining, cos dalian isn't too bad (apart from the winters) but kunming seemed a very cool place when i visited it, it has the nearest thing to a genuine local bar scene, that i have seen in china, for one thing... I would guess that most ESL jobs there paid about 3000 RMB a month. |
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waxwing
Joined: 29 Jun 2003 Posts: 719 Location: China
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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5 months of paid holidays?  |
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Mister Al

Joined: 28 Jun 2004 Posts: 840 Location: In there
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 7:41 am Post subject: |
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Man, isn't everyone?
Having said that, I have just that myself (more or less), but I'll be keeping quiet about the whereabouts for the time being. Can't have hoards of you queueing up behind me and me looking over my shoulder.  |
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