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naturegirl321
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 Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 5:55 pm Post subject: Z visa vs. D visa |
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Looked at the embassy websites and they said that a D visa is for permanent residents, but didn't say how to get it. I tried a search, but there's pages of info and didn't find anything on the D visa.
I remember that this topic came up a bit ago, but can't find it.
Is this only for people who have married Chinese? Or if someone stays there long enough on a Z visa, can they get a D visa? |
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dave_merk
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The D visa is basically a myth. Officially it exists but I've never heard of anyone who's ever gotten one and I'm pretty sure no one on this board has ever had one or knows anyone who has had one (correct me if I'm wrong). If one could get it, though, they'd most likely have to have relatives in China, either by marriage or though extended family. I assume there'd probably be a period of residence required, too. Probably 5 years.
Did you say you and your husband want to have kids in China or have you already had them and just want to raise them here? Just so we're all clear on this, a child does not automatically become Chinese simply by grace of being born here. They need to have at least one parent who is a Chinese citizen before they'll be considered "Chinese" and their parent will be eligible for permanent residence because of their dependant minor who is a Chinese citizen.
The "green card" (related to the d visa somehow, I think) is available to people married to Chinese citizens for five years, but is difficult to get even for them (my friend who met the requirements was still rejected). However, it seems as if the authorities are going to start pushing Chinese citizenship for foreigners as an easier alternative to the green card. See my "chinese citizenship" thread for more info. |
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naturegirl321
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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| dave_merk wrote: |
| Did you say you and your husband want to have kids in China or have you already had them and just want to raise them here? Just so we're all clear on this, a child does not automatically become Chinese simply by grace of being born here. They need to have at least one parent who is a Chinese citizen before they'll be considered "Chinese" and their parent will be eligible for permanent residence because of their dependant minor who is a Chinese citizen. |
We want to have them three, no kids yet, onnly been married a year and a half and I'm still young, won't be 25 until August. CHinese citizenship for us or our kids really isn't on our list of things to do, but we really want security, it would be nice to not have to depend on a school for our visa. But I guess that's city. |
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dave_merk
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 2:20 am Post subject: |
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| naturegirl321 wrote: |
| dave_merk wrote: |
| Did you say you and your husband want to have kids in China or have you already had them and just want to raise them here? Just so we're all clear on this, a child does not automatically become Chinese simply by grace of being born here. They need to have at least one parent who is a Chinese citizen before they'll be considered "Chinese" and their parent will be eligible for permanent residence because of their dependant minor who is a Chinese citizen. |
We want to have them three, no kids yet, onnly been married a year and a half and I'm still young, won't be 25 until August. CHinese citizenship for us or our kids really isn't on our list of things to do, but we really want security, it would be nice to not have to depend on a school for our visa. But I guess that's city. |
It would be nice to not have to depend on your school for a visa, but short of marrying a Chinese citizen or becoming one yourself I think you're going to have to remain at the visa-granting mercy of your school, as will your husband and kids. No two ways about it, I don't think.
Forgive me if I may be stepping over the line, but I'm going to echo some of the other opinions people may have told you in other posts and say I think you should think twice about raising a kid who isn't even Chinese at all in China. One who has some Chinese blood and some Chinese features might get by well, but one who isn't Asian at all is going to attract their fair share of unwanted attention. And that might make you and them feel badly. Also, I've heard of more than a few cases where Chinese schools wont enroll foreign kids. Just make sure you think it all through. |
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vikuk
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 3:37 am Post subject: |
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| is available to people married to Chinese citizens for five years |
this should be a five year unbroken stint - of being married in China. If you go back home (unless this a holiday) after 3 years and then come back some time in the furture thinking you only have 2 years to do to get a green card - think again, since on your return you start from day one. Also you can't include the time you were in China before you were married. At least that's what the rules say - but as in most things here, I'm sure there are exceptions on a province to province scale, and depending on what gaunxi you have. |
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naturegirl321
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 4:18 am Post subject: |
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| dave_merk wrote: |
| Forgive me if I may be stepping over the line, but I'm going to echo some of the other opinions people may have told you in other posts and say I think you should think twice about raising a kid who isn't even Chinese at all in China. One who has some Chinese blood and some Chinese features might get by well, but one who isn't Asian at all is going to attract their fair share of unwanted attention. And that might make you and them feel badly. Also, I've heard of more than a few cases where Chinese schools wont enroll foreign kids. Just make sure you think it all through. |
NOt at all, don't think that you're stepping over the line. I'm asking for advice, so I appreciate it. Luckily, my husband has Asian blood, from way back. And I've passed for Chinese physically, as long as I don't talk. Must be the Eastern European blookd. I relaly would like to try to raise kids in China for a bit, if things don't work out, will go back to Peru. |
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Ahchoo
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 4:33 am Post subject: |
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| It's expensive to send foreign kids to school here. |
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eslstudies
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My take on the D visa thing is its for "Overseas Chinese" who have been doing big business in the PRC for quite a while. They need to be nominated/sponsored by someone well up in the Party [all animals are equal, etc] to have a chance.
The cost of a local education for a non-local child will depend on the connections one has in the local educational hierarchy. We did well, ie my uni president pulled strings to set up a local kindy place.
International schools? Only if you work in one, in which case its free. Otherwise its too expensive for any but corporate expats. |
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bendan
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 11:28 am Post subject: |
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| dave_merk wrote: |
| The D visa is basically a myth. Officially it exists but I've never heard of anyone who's ever gotten one and I'm pretty sure no one on this board has ever had one or knows anyone who has had one (correct me if I'm wrong). |
I thought Joe C. had permanent residence.
The D visa existed before the permanent residence for foreigners was brought in a couple of years ago. It's not the same thing, as far as I know, so I guess you are right in what you say. |
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naturegirl321
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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| bendan wrote: |
| The D visa existed before the permanent residence for foreigners was brought in a couple of years ago. It's not the same thing, as far as I know, so I guess you are right in what you say. |
HOw do you get permanent residency if you're a foreigner? |
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tw
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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| naturegirl321 wrote: |
| HOw do you get permanent residency if you're a foreigner? |
By being married to a Chinese national for five years. |
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naturegirl321
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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| There's no other way to get permanent residency? |
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tw
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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| You can immigrate to China. But then, as we have discussed in a thread some time ago on FT's obtaining Chinese citizenship, you'd be nothing more than a foreign-faced Chinese. As such, you can forget about the perks of being a FT. |
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naturegirl321
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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| I never thought of it that way. I was just thinking that with permanent residency I wouldn't have to rely on a school for my visa |
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Joe C.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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| bendan wrote: |
| dave_merk wrote: |
| The D visa is basically a myth. Officially it exists but I've never heard of anyone who's ever gotten one and I'm pretty sure no one on this board has ever had one or knows anyone who has had one (correct me if I'm wrong). |
I thought Joe C. had permanent residence.
The D visa existed before the permanent residence for foreigners was brought in a couple of years ago. It's not the same thing, as far as I know, so I guess you are right in what you say. |
Right.
The "D" visa is pretty much a thing of the past which is basically a non-issue since it was almost never issued anyhow. Right now the only use of a "D" visa is for those who apply and are approved for permanent residency (green card) while outside of China. In much the same way as a "Z" visa, with the "D" visa your PR is approved and you have 30 days in which to enter China and have your actual green card issued.
Unless I misunderstood what was written, the OP hasn't lived in China long, has no direct relatives here, hasn't a $500,000 to $2,000,000 direct investment in China or isn't the GM of a large MNC. As such, her chances of getting PR are, at best, nil.
Dave, parents of Chinese nationals are not automatically entitled to PR unless they have no other living relatives abroad and are over a certain age -- like 60 if I remember correctly.
And applying for Chinese citizenship is easy. It is almost impossible to get your application approved though -- at least on the Mainland. |
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