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How long does it take to get an invitation letter?

 
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sheltron5000



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 10:44 pm    Post subject: How long does it take to get an invitation letter? Reply with quote

I just graduated from College, and I have a TESOL-esque certificate from my university, but I won't get my diploma for probably another month or so. I want to teach English in China, but I am worried that not being able to show a school my diploma might make things difficult.

I have been talking to a University in eastern Inner Mongolia (Tongliao), for the last three or four weeks. They offered me a teaching job, but I have had to put together a whole bunch of things (Medical Check, Criminal History Check, Reccomendation letters etc.). Apparently the school actually has to go to some office there to apply for an invitation for me to teach so they can't just send me the contract and letter for the Z visa.

I think it will take me one or two more weeks to have all the things they asked for. Does anyone have an idea how long it will take them to get through the red tape on their side? Also, is not having the actual diploma going to make this all impossible, or take a whole lot longer? (I have a letter saying that I hold the degree)

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Sheldon
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7969



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it varies. for someone with a degree, it can take 2-3 weeks for the school to get the invitation letter and working permit together.

i showed my actual degree. dont give it to anyone here for more than a few minutes. they may fold it up into a little square and stuff it in a purse.


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tw



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:25 pm    Post subject: Re: How long does it take to get an invitation letter? Reply with quote

sheltron5000 wrote:
I just graduated from College, and I have a TESOL-esque certificate from my university, but I won't get my diploma for probably another month or so. I want to teach English in China, but I am worried that not being able to show a school my diploma might make things difficult.

I think it will take me one or two more weeks to have all the things they asked for. Does anyone have an idea how long it will take them to get through the red tape on their side? Also, is not having the actual diploma going to make this all impossible, or take a whole lot longer? (I have a letter saying that I hold the degree)


Doubtful the letter would do any good since it is in English. Also, they do need to print out the scanned image if your diploma to show the local education ministry that you are qualified. However, I do believe for Inner Mongolia, the TEFL certificate will be sufficient for work permit, i.e. the Foreign Expert Certificate.

Is there anyway you can ask your college to put a rush on the diploma? From personal experience, it took about two weeks (or was it a month) for the school in Hohhot to get everything prepared (FEC, invitation letter, visa notice, etc).

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I have been talking to a University in eastern Inner Mongolia (Tongliao), for the last three or four weeks. They offered me a teaching job, but I have had to put together a whole bunch of things (Medical Check, Criminal History Check, Reccomendation letters etc.). Apparently the school actually has to go to some office there to apply for an invitation for me to teach so they can't just send me the contract and letter for the Z visa.


Yes, a criminal record check is required for Inner Mongolia (not sure about other provinces now) if the potential foreign teacher is currently living abroad. I had to submit one two years ago as well, along with a medical report. But recommendation letter? Strange, since Inner Mongolia is a rather rural and poor region and there aren't that many FT's available, at least not in Hohhot. But you are right, if they can't get you a FEC or the official invitation from the government, then it'd be a waste of their time to send you a contract.

I do hope you have done plenty of research into Tongliao. I had many students from that city (all Mongolians) when I was teaching in Hohhot. The cost of living is apparently quite low, but I believe so is the salary.
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Leon Purvis



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Criminal record check? Issued by whom? The FBI? The state, the county?

I'm not sure that one can even get a criminal record from any agency in my home state (in the U.S.). I can understand why a CR check would be required, but I wonder just how viable this request is. I'd be interested in knowing how many people have been able to secure one's own criminal record or a letter stating that one has no criminal record-- and how he got it.


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sheltron5000



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 1:54 am    Post subject: Tongliao Reply with quote

Thanks for the quick replies.

As for Tongliao, the position there is actually pretty well paid (based on the what I've read here and elsewhere). Although the rate is a little strange: 70RMB per class, minimum of 16 per week. As far as I can tell it is a ?small? city (700k), but I am prepared for that. Unfortunately, the information availible on Tongliao is *very* limited.

I am getting the criminal record check from my State Police office, it takes about two weeks. I hope that's all they want since getting one from the FBI takes 8 to 10 weeks, and is kind of expensive.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 2:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leon Purvis wrote:
Criminal record check? Issued by whom? The FBI? The state, the county?

first time i've heard of it.
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tw



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leon Purvis wrote:
Criminal record check? Issued by whom? The FBI? The state, the county?

I'm not sure that one can even get a criminal record from any agency in my home state (in the U.S.). I can understand why a CR check would be required, but I wonder just how viable this request is. I'd be interested in knowing how many people have been able to secure one's own criminal record or a letter stating that one has no criminal record-- and how he got it.


The criminal check is obviously wanted by the PSB in Inner Mongolia, and I got mine done at the downtown cop shop in Vancouver BC within minutes. I just showed them the e-mail that'd asked for the criminal record check, paid the money, then waited for like twenty minutes and it was all done.

7969 wrote:
first time i've heard of it.


Actually, I'd asked about employers asking for a criminal record check too -- back in 2005.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 2:25 am    Post subject: Re: Tongliao Reply with quote

sheltron5000 wrote:
As for Tongliao, the position there is actually pretty well paid (based on the what I've read here and elsewhere). Although the rate is a little strange: 70RMB per class, minimum of 16 per week. As far as I can tell it is a ?small? city (700k), but I am prepared for that. Unfortunately, the information availible on Tongliao is *very* limited.


Not a bad salary of around 4500 RMB at all. If it weren't for the yearly dust storms between March and June, I probably wouldn't mind teaching in Inner Mongolia again. I had the best lamb while I was in Hohhot!
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Laoshi1950



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 4:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting that a criminal history check is now required by Inner Mongolia province.

I have never been asked to supply such a document in any of the other three provinces I have previously worked in China.

Recently, I have received a new Foreigner Residence Permit and Foreign Experts Certificate for my new job in Beijing, and no criminal record check was requested among the documents I needed to supply to have that Beijing paperwork processed.

Because I have lived and worked in China for the past 6 years, and have not been in any trouble with the PSB, maybe it was considered unnecessary.

If such a document were required for employment, obtaining such a personal criminal record statement in Australia is relatively easy to get from your local Police Station.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laoshi1950 wrote:
Interesting that a criminal history check is now required by Inner Mongolia province.

I have never been asked to supply such a document in any of the other three provinces I have previously worked in China.

Recently, I have received a new Foreigner Residence Permit and Foreign Experts Certificate for my new job in Beijing, and no criminal record check was requested among the documents I needed to supply to have that Beijing paperwork processed.

Because I have lived and worked in China for the past 6 years, and have not been in any trouble with the PSB, maybe it was considered unnecessary.


The criminal record check is only for people living abroad.
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SnoopBot



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laoshi1950 wrote:
Interesting that a criminal history check is now required by Inner Mongolia province.

I have never been asked to supply such a document in any of the other three provinces I have previously worked in China.

If such a document were required for employment, obtaining such a personal criminal record statement in Australia is relatively easy to get from your local Police Station.


This is a new one too, but being requested in areas of Thailand now.

He must be working with kids, after the infamous John Karr case in Thailand (A sex perve) that admitted he killed Jon Benet Ramsey (It wasn't true) many places are requiring some type of criminal checks if you are going to be working with kids.

This is to weed out Pedo's in the system. After the fall-out from the Karr case, National News-Media outlets did at least 1 month of specials on the riff-raff that are teaching English and the criminals living abroad.

Around this time, some problems with molestations of Korean school girls, and some nit-wits Online Blog with adventures of "An English Teacher in Shanghai" which ran sex stories all hit the ESL world at once.

Some serious negative National Press came from these things, and most of you working in China might have missed most of it. I was home when these things were going on.

So now these request might become more mainstream. I will also add it is easy to get a criminal record in the USA.

Your neighbors call the cops because your music is too loud, gets you a criminal record these days.

The policy of my state police is to arrest someone if called, someone will go to jail. Zero Tolerance now

Noise complaint = jail
Drink too much = jail
Argue with gf or wife = jail
Open 6 pack of beer = open container (open means 1 beer fell out of the plastic ring holder in your back seat while driving home. = jail

Smoking was banned here a few months ago in all public places which can lead to jail too.

You dog takes a crap in someones yard = loose dog, with extra half a dozen more charges = jail.


The state and county here are broke and they do not have enough funding to pay for services. So to cut back on minor police calls over little disputes and to use the fines and court system to build up the city coffers the chance of being a Boy Scout and going to jail here is high.

Hopefully, these idiotic things will not disqualify high qualified teachers from going abroad.

However, they are using these minor incidents to revoke and deny State teaching certifications for public schools.

Can we spell "Welcome to the Peoples Republik of Ohio."
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