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SnoopBot
Joined: 21 Jun 2007
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 Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 5:42 am Post subject: Re: Does teaching in China hurt your future career in ESL. |
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| HunanForeignGuy wrote: |
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I've heard of other places doing this too, HK's NET program wouldn't hire Chinese PRC based teachers because of these reasons. It comes down to the fact we are usually only used to teach Oral English subjects.
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Dear Kind SnoopBot,
Re Hong Kong and the NET program, sorry to have to disagree. I know four FTs from China who made the cut and were invited for the final interview in Hong Kong; three were offered the job and believe it or not, three turned it down. According to what my friends (the interviewees themselves) told me, it's far from being perfect.
I have been offerered job in the Mid-East and I have been here a period of time, too but it's about the last place I would go on the face of the earth...I am a New York and 09/11 is just too burned, etched and carved into my mind for me to ever have a level of comfort in that zone.
I am trying to figure out from your postings exactly in what part of China you are looking for a job and for when..is it for the September 2007 term and if so, for how much and under what conditions? PM please if you are at all interested in Guangzhou.
All the best,
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Good, I'm glad to hear the rumors are not true. I figure the reply from the ME job was slightly rude.
They have a few mixed reviews, so maybe this was a blessing for me.
I'm not sure when I'll be finished with these expensive house repairs, once done I can keep my old position (renew contract) or look at other positions. I hope not too much longer. |
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HunanForeignGuy
Joined: 05 Jan 2006
Posts: 989
Location: Shanghai, PRC
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| Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 7:03 am Post subject: See Below |
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| I'm surprised by HFG's observation that this has been a good hiring season for FTs. I don't see any increase in positions vacant ads here at Dave's. Meanwhile, I've just heard from a colleague at the last uni I taught at, in GZ, that they are letting all but one of their FTs go and not replacing them. This is of no concern to me as I'm no longer in China or looking to return, but I do wonder now what the job market/labour pool is really like. |
Dear Friend,
I do not use Dave's as the barometer for ads here in China and the job situation.
Please understand that Dave's is a paid site and the schools that advertise here are usually those schools that do not make the cut in the normal scope of things and have to resort to paid advertising.
I cull my information from a variety of far more widely accessed ESL job sites in China, all them located in China and also from information that I access from Beijing regarding the total number of vacant positions currently existing in public schools, etc., etc.
Additionally, many of the provincial education departments have begun to set up their own in-house recruiting agents -- Jiangsu Province is one; Anhui and Hebei Provinces are others.
I look at all of this information together. And yes, contrary to what you write, it has been a very, very late but very, very frenetic hiring season -- as I said grab-and-steal so to speak.
I was passed over for a few, turned down a good two handsful and selected three or four that interested me and in which I was interested.
Of the foreign teachers in the uni which I have just left, 18 out of 20 left for a variety of reasons. 14 out of the 18 had jobs already last April (that included me); one dilly-dallied until about two weeks ago and still managed to walk away with a very nice job; one left for Japan; one went home to do her Bible-preaching at home; and the other, well to tell the truth,
yes, he remained unemployed in China but just consider -- he is a university graduate from a very, very so, so university in the Midwest; he had little or no teaching experience before he got here; he spent the entire year in third year university English classes teaching the students how to read 18th century poetry and Catholic religious poetry at that; and then he decided that he was only worthy of Beijing Da or Fudan Da or one of those and he was outraged when they turned him down. In dementia animus.
Otherwise everyone I know in China received three or four job offers, always for more money (well, except in one case, but there were reasons).
Most of the teachers that are staying here are going off to uni jobs in Guangdong in the RMB 8,000 - RMB 10,000 per month bracket.
china.pete, if I can be of any assistance to you, please send me a PM. I really enjoy your posts.
All the best,
HFG
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Anda
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Location: Jiangsu Province
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| Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 8:26 am Post subject: Um |
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I've been in this game since 1990 and what I have found is that working at Universities and for government private schools count. Working for big company institutes count. However working for your run of the mill institutes does not count at all unless you are applying to another run of the mill institute.
There is more checking being done these days by government schools and universities to find out if you have fake degrees etc also.
South Korea I have found to be regarded as a hard place to work so if you have worked there a number of years you are seen as a stayer by employers. Currently Korean immigration is asking for lots of proof of having obtained a real Uni degree. So you are probably seen as the genuine product if you have worked there. |
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cj750s
Joined: 26 May 2007
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Location: Donghai Town, Beijng
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| Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 9:51 am Post subject: |
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| Please understand that Dave's is a paid site and the schools that advertise here are usually those schools that do not make the cut in the normal scope of things and have to resort to paid advertising. |
many schools have no means of paying for being listed on a site such as Daves..most dont have corp credit cards..I have seen a drop in the level of schools advertising since Daves started charging..but it also did weed out the pretenders who were using this site for fishing... |
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SnoopBot
Joined: 21 Jun 2007
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Location: USA
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| Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 5:11 pm Post subject: Re: Um |
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| Anda wrote: |
I've been in this game since 1990 and what I have found is that working at Universities and for government private schools count. Working for big company institutes count. However working for your run of the mill institutes does not count at all unless you are applying to another run of the mill institute.
There is more checking being done these days by government schools and universities to find out if you have fake degrees etc also.
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These are all good valid points, the position required a MA Ed in TESOL from a good university. My program was a 3 year Masters with the typical 2 year classroom and 1 year certification, practicum = leads to State Teaching certification or PhD.
Also at least 3 teaching at the university level.
I have 4 years in China and 1 year teaching in the USA -all at the University level. + 10 years teaching/trainer experience (Not ESOL)
So these couldn't be a problem, for some reason the second interviewer concentrated on China. My university is a top one located on Cheng Fu Lu in Beijing and ranked in the top 10 universities in China. So that couldn't be the problem either ( No dodgy Mills)
I feel it was something to do with the duties and responsibilities that FT's have in China at the admin level. That is my gut feeling, we are not involved at the admin level or university wide design level.
But, no worries, I read on May 15 th a car bomb exploded near the school 1 km away and most of the foreign staff took off after this, leaving massive openings.
I think the foreign teacher DOS admin has had a bad experience in China and possibly has some personal issues to deal with.
Again, I guess this was a blessing anyway. |
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Cognition
Joined: 22 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 3:59 am Post subject: Re: Does teaching in China hurt your future career in ESL. |
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| HunanForeignGuy wrote: |
| I am a New York and 09/11 is just too burned, etched and carved into my mind for me to ever have a level of comfort in that zone. |
???? I thought it was Saudi Arabian passport-holding Afghanistan-based Al-Queda that hit the Twin Towers ????? |
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