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rusmeister
Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 867 Location: Russia
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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canucktechie wrote: |
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Can you pls explain these new visa laws? I thought that once you had your 12-month visa sponsored by your lang school, you were set for the year in Russia... |
Nothing new about it. Even if your visa is for 1 year, you have to leave the country after 6 months.
But it's not expensive. You can get a round trip to Kiev for under $100. And Ukraine no longer requires a visa for Westerners. I also think the schools pay a (minimal) allowance for this. |
Hey Canuck, are you sure your info is current? Prices have skyrocketed in the past couple of years. I can't see there and back again for $100. Even 2 yrs ago it was almost $100 to get to Belgorod, near Kharkov.
Train is cheaper, but not much cheaper than planes now. And then staying a couple of days in a foreign capital will cost you... |
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canucktechie

Joined: 07 Feb 2003 Posts: 343 Location: Moscow
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:36 am Post subject: |
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I made a round trip between Moscow and Kiev in May and the fare was about $50 each way in kupe. Platskart would be cheaper.
And of course you don't have to spend even one night in Kiev.Arrive in the morning, leave the same evening. |
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Eugeniusz
Joined: 13 Feb 2006 Posts: 17
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 9:49 am Post subject: |
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I lived in St. Petersburg last year. It's not cheap. Restaurants are the same prices if not more. I spent around $30 at a vegetarian restaurant. I had a room from the school but my friends were paying 7-900 Euros for 2 bedroom flats in the city. If you use an agency that was the going rate. I guess you could go out further for cheaper rent but then figure in transportation $100+ a month. Groceries are accurate at about $200 a month. Clothes are expensive, very expensive, more expensive than home. $50+ for a sweater $80 for a Columbia jacket that is only good for the fall. That was at a cheap store I had to find by asking around and I had to travel across town too. Any book written in English from a book store is 2,3x's the price found online. I found one of the least expensive gyms there for $100-150 a month. That was after my fluent friend negotiated the price down. $700 in St. Petersburg with paid housing is possible for what you want to do but it will be a struggle if you need to buy something. Judging by your plans, you'll have $100 a week spending money for restaurants and going out if you're good, which you can easily spend in the clubs or bars in one night if buy a few rounds for your new friends which I can't imagine you wouldn't because they would buy it for you... I can't imagine what Moscow is like. |
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Eugeniusz
Joined: 13 Feb 2006 Posts: 17
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 11:12 am Post subject: Re: ? |
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Deano1979 wrote: |
It also seems to me as if anything less then a flat and $900 a month is just not on (even outside Moscow). To be honest, if I was fluent in the local language, I would be looking for work in my field. I know I am going to earn peanuts teaching.
Is this a fair assumption considering how high inflation has been in Russia the last few years? |
I don't know... I met a Russian Engineer with a PhD who worked for an oil company that only made $900 a month, flat not included. |
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rusmeister
Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 867 Location: Russia
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 3:21 pm Post subject: Re: ? |
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Eugeniusz wrote: |
Deano1979 wrote: |
It also seems to me as if anything less then a flat and $900 a month is just not on (even outside Moscow). To be honest, if I was fluent in the local language, I would be looking for work in my field. I know I am going to earn peanuts teaching.
Is this a fair assumption considering how high inflation has been in Russia the last few years? |
I don't know... I met a Russian Engineer with a PhD who worked for an oil company that only made $900 a month, flat not included. |
It has to be understood that you can't do direct comparisons of Russian salaries with ones that foreigners would need. Russians have an entire support system holding them up, and also don't have the expenditures required of foreigners living here. A typical Russian has access directly or indirectly to a family with a dacha (both a getaway place and a source of food), and will likely be spending significantly less to feed himself. He (or his parents) own his apartment and is only forking over the utility bills. As a Russian citizen he has things like health care, an internal passport with a 'propiska' (required for so many things, like buying your own cell phone) and may have a bunch of other perks you don't have - like falling into a 'Lgotnaya categoria' and having free or reduced bus fares or whatever, a company or state-sponsored vacation/resort/'sanatorium' trip. Nor are they required to leave the country and re-enter every six months or whatever. (Kiss $300-800 goodbye) Etc etc etc... (I won't even mention the insulting higher prices for foreigners at museums and other places of interest)
End run is a Russian who makes $1,000/month is doing OK, albeit not wealthy. The same cannot be said for the foreigner living here. (For us, it's poverty-level.) |
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BELS
Joined: 24 Mar 2005 Posts: 402 Location: Moscow
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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canucktechie wrote: |
silasbilas wrote: |
Can you pls explain these new visa laws? I thought that once you had your 12-month visa sponsored by your lang school, you were set for the year in Russia... |
Nothing new about it. Even if your visa is for 1 year, you have to leave the country after 6 months.
But it's not expensive. You can get a round trip to Kiev for under $100. And Ukraine no longer requires a visa for Westerners. I also think the schools pay a (minimal) allowance for this. |
Believe me their are new laws. For EU citizens. Some Brits who got their visas in an EU country are discovering that that they to leave the country every three months and cant return for a further three months. |
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coledavis
Joined: 21 Jun 2003 Posts: 1838
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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Hi - with regard to this 3 months in, 3 months out: can other people confirm that this is definitely happening now? |
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expatella_girl
Joined: 31 Oct 2004 Posts: 248 Location: somewhere out there
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 4:14 am Post subject: |
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coledavis wrote: |
Hi - with regard to this 3 months in, 3 months out: can other people confirm that this is definitely happening now? |
Yes.
For the holders of EU passports only. |
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maruss
Joined: 18 Mar 2003 Posts: 1145 Location: Cyprus
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 6:43 am Post subject: New visa rules for E.U. citizens. |
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If this is so, then it's it's hardly worth going there at all to work, especially if you have to stay away for 3 months after each 3 months you are allowed in!When did they start this rule by the way? |
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expatella_girl
Joined: 31 Oct 2004 Posts: 248 Location: somewhere out there
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 7:30 am Post subject: |
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This new regulation came into effect June 1. Part of a deal the Russian government made with the EU. Obviously non-EU passport holders are not affected by this new visa agreement.
What it does do, is force EU passport holders working under the table in Russia, to get work permits and work visas in order to stay.
It should be noted that the UK was not a cosigner to this agreement, so that UK citizens are not part of the deal. Neither are Norway, Denmark and Cyprus. |
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coledavis
Joined: 21 Jun 2003 Posts: 1838
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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So a UK citizen is ok then? |
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maruss
Joined: 18 Mar 2003 Posts: 1145 Location: Cyprus
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 3:22 pm Post subject: Which E.U. countries? |
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If the U.K. had been included it would have been a big problem for all those Language Schools trying to recruit 'fodder for their mills...'
However in my case it will not make any difference because they already have full details of both my Cypriot and British passports-as I already p.m'd some members of this site last week,Putin and co. have taken a dislike to me and apparently will not let me back into Russia for reasons unknown...I suppose all I can do is hope for an 'orange revolution' over there,'a la russe!'
In any case there are still the Aussies and Kiwis,plus our friends in North America who speak Native English so they could manage without us Brits for a while! |
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expatella_girl
Joined: 31 Oct 2004 Posts: 248 Location: somewhere out there
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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coledavis wrote: |
So a UK citizen is ok then? |
Yeah.....yeah I think you're ok.  |
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coledavis
Joined: 21 Jun 2003 Posts: 1838
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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On the point of becoming non personal grata for no obvious reason: I know that censorship is not desirable, but I think I would make a point of avoiding public mention of dear P in full, especially with words involving r.v..u...n. I rather think that search engines will look for such associations on boards such as this. I'm not paranoid; some people in a small town have suggested to my friends that I may be a purveyor of information to my home country (there is a three letter word beginning with s which is more concise) merely because of my habit of travelling alone in Russia... |
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expatella_girl
Joined: 31 Oct 2004 Posts: 248 Location: somewhere out there
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Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:11 am Post subject: |
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What??
I read your post twice and I have no idea what y.o..u are talking about. No doubt the FSB is more clever at decoding secret messages than I am.
Carry on James Bond. |
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