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Hoser

Joined: 19 Mar 2005 Posts: 694 Location: Toronto, Canada
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 3:16 pm Post subject: It's not easy being Japanese |
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3-2 loss to Saudi Arabia. Sigh. Watched it with my gf. There were lots of "onegai's" and prayers to the heavens but no such luck unfortunately. Anybody else watch the game. I thought it was tremendously exciting. I was impressed by how much heart the Japanese played with but they obviously lacked the killer instinct that Saudi Arabia seemed to have. They got 3 goals in about 4 or 5 chances that I counted. Japan on the other hand constantly had the ball in SA's end but couldn't do anything with it. I found it eerily similar to what happens when us foreigners play the Japanese at futsal. We take every bloody chance we get and then some while the Japanese team likes to pass it around and perhaps eventually (or not, as is often the case) get a shot on goal. |
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GambateBingBangBOOM
Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 2021 Location: Japan
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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 1:20 am Post subject: |
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If Japanese people didn't tend to be the worst sports in the world, I might care. But they act like spoiled children when they lose a point. And like total dicks when they get one.
I still smile when I think of the announcer's face before the game against Australia (when they were assuming they would win) and after (when they lost).
And I still feel that little bit of anger whenever I think of the behavious of the men's volleyball team whenever they both got a point and lost one while they were playing France (I think it was?) a few weeks ago.
As a consequence I tend to approach anything with Japan against anybody else the same way a lot of Canadians and others approach The US against anybody else- just hope the anybody else wins. When it's Japan versus America....it's perplexing!
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Chris21
Joined: 30 Apr 2006 Posts: 366 Location: Japan
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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 1:48 am Post subject: |
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What's with all of the stuhiggers hate? Have I missed something? The posts I've read seem fine to me. X-Ray glasses - I'd like a pair, too. |
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alexcase
Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 215 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 5:56 pm Post subject: Over the top celebrations |
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This is another irritating thing I have in common with the Japanese (guess I've found my home). I do the "guts pose" etc. with a sense of irony, but no-one else seems to see the funny side... Then again, neither do I when someone else does it.
I think my own bad habit comes from knowing I was hilariously crap at sport when I was at school (not one goal or try scored, nor one game of tennis won in 13 years!) , so each point I score in any sport in the rest of my life stands out for me. Could the Japanese thing be the same???
TEFLtastic blog- www.tefl.net/alexcase |
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Hoser

Joined: 19 Mar 2005 Posts: 694 Location: Toronto, Canada
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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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I like to cheer for them-I guess because I'm living in Japan and my girlfriend is Japanese. But they're just so terrible at almost everything except baseball! |
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Eva Pilot

Joined: 19 Mar 2006 Posts: 351 Location: Far West of the Far East
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Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 12:56 am Post subject: |
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I thought it was a brilliant game with a disappointing result.
I don't think anyone can complain about the Japanese performance in the tournament, they were far and away the best side, it was only fatigue that caught up to them in the end. |
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alexcase
Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 215 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 3:59 pm Post subject: Celebrations |
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Does no one have an explanation on why some Japanese players overcelebrate/ crow when they win something then?? |
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Hoser

Joined: 19 Mar 2005 Posts: 694 Location: Toronto, Canada
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Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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I wont forget the U20's celebration dance for their first horrible goal against Scotland. Absolutely ridiculous. If I had scored such an ugly goal I wouldn't even be smile, never mind do some silly chicken dance.
Well it's not getting any easier to be Japanese unfortunately. Loss to S. Korea in a shoot-out. No game-saving heroics from Kawaguchi this time. He almost saved the second last goal but it JUST went under him. |
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ironopolis
Joined: 01 Apr 2004 Posts: 379
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Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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Eva Pilot wrote: |
I don't think anyone can complain about the Japanese performance in the tournament, they were far and away the best side, it was only fatigue that caught up to them in the end. |
That's probably the line from some of the Japanese tv channels, who rarely show much respect for opponents anyway, and particularly not for other Asian teams. However, I don't think many outside Japan would agree with that.
Japan have indeed looked promising at times, but cynics would say that's because they never played anyone decent until the game they lost. And, no, the Aussie side that showed up for this tournament were NOT a decent side. Whilst I'd say that cynical view is a tad harsh, it is also ridiculous to suggest Japan were "far and away the best side" in the tournament. The Saudis have looked a lot better, for a start, probably Iraq too.
And in tonight's 3rd place game, a full strength Japan looked really unimpressive against a Korean team with about half its first choice starting line-up missing through injury and who played with a man less for over an hour. In fact, in spite of Japan's numerical advantage for just over half the playing time, I think they still managed fewer shots on goal than the Koreans.
It still hasn't been a bad tournament for Japan, as there's been a healthy mix of promising performances but also a few doses of reality which should help keep some feet on the ground in the run up to the 2010 World Cup.
Unfortunately, I've a feeling that some of the Japanese media will have the knives out for Osim soon. I saw one channel after tonight's game that focussed on how Troussier and Zico both delivered the Asian Cup, but Osim had failed to do this. Very unfair, as Zico's team rode an unbelievable amount of luck to win in 2004 and came monumentally unstuck in Germany last year. If Japan make it to South Africa in 2010, I'd expect Osim to be a lot more clued up there, and on the way, than Zico was. |
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JU!
Joined: 13 Mar 2007 Posts: 13 Location: Derby/Bradford/Leeds, England
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Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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I have not seen the game yet as don't live in Japan but will watch the highlights soon. As always when I watch Japan as mentioned above the seem to lack any goal scorers and this always hampers them. As soon as they find a Japanese Michael Owen they will be sorted. I feel they always create enough chances in games but just can't finish them off.  |
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Eva Pilot

Joined: 19 Mar 2006 Posts: 351 Location: Far West of the Far East
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Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 1:31 am Post subject: |
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ironopolis wrote: |
That's probably the line from some of the Japanese tv channels, who rarely show much respect for opponents anyway, and particularly not for other Asian teams. However, I don't think many outside Japan would agree with that. |
Actually it was the foreign media that were saying it.
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And, no, the Aussie side that showed up for this tournament were NOT a decent side. |
NOT a decent side? All of the big name contingent were there, they just didn't have their hearts in it.
ironopolis wrote: |
It still hasn't been a bad tournament for Japan, as there's been a healthy mix of promising performances but also a few doses of reality which should help keep some feet on the ground in the run up to the 2010 World Cup. |
I think what it has proven is that a team built mainly around J-League regulars can do well, and will only continue to do better. Coach Osim is employing the same strategy that made him so successful at JEF, and I think it's going to work, and continue to improve, on the national level. |
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ironopolis
Joined: 01 Apr 2004 Posts: 379
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Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 2:53 am Post subject: |
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Eva Pilot wrote: |
ironopolis wrote: |
And, no, the Aussie side that showed up for this tournament were NOT a decent side. |
NOT a decent side? All of the big name contingent were there, they just didn't have their hearts in it.
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Actually, I agree with you here. I didn't say there were no decent players in the Aussie side, just that the team that turned up and performed in this Asian Cup tournament was not a decent one - and frankly, they were awful. Maybe they could have performed decently and I think you're right, a poor attitude perhaps had a lot to do with it. However, I also believe Australia are not quite as good as they, and many Europeans ignorant of the game in Asia, think they are.
As for Japan, yes, I know some foreign media had talked highly of them early in the tournament, and not unreasonably so IMO. But "team of the tournament", only unluckily missing out a la Brazil in the world cup - if that's in any foreign media, I'd suspect it's just been lifted from somewhere like a kyodo news feed.
I share your support of Osim, he's a much better coach than Zico. But he can only work with what he has. Albeit on a slightly different scale, I think Japan's football team has a similar problem to my country, England - they're massively overhyped by their media as being better than they actually are. I really think Osim is trying hard to counter this, but it's not going to be easy for him. "Let's blame the foreign coach" will never be far away, I'm afraid. |
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Eva Pilot

Joined: 19 Mar 2006 Posts: 351 Location: Far West of the Far East
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Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 4:22 am Post subject: |
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I agree with most of your points too, and I didn't mean to sound like the typical (usually Korean! haha) style disgruntled loser by saying "Well...we didn't win but we are still the best!"
I was just commenting on a remark from a commentator during one of the matches where he said "Should things stay as they are in this tournament, it looks very ominous for whoever Japan meet in the next few games."
I think the toll that the AUstralia game took on Japan, so much extra football played was a factor in their running out of steam against Saudi Arabia. |
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Yawarakaijin
Joined: 20 Jan 2006 Posts: 504 Location: Middle of Nagano
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:59 am Post subject: |
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Hoser wrote: |
I wont forget the U20's celebration dance for their first horrible goal against Scotland. Absolutely ridiculous. If I had scored such an ugly goal I wouldn't even be smile, never mind do some silly chicken dance.
Well it's not getting any easier to be Japanese unfortunately. Loss to S. Korea in a shoot-out. No game-saving heroics from Kawaguchi this time. He almost saved the second last goal but it JUST went under him. |
I don't have any idea how those J-boys got away with their lives after that celebration. Must not have been the real Scottish national team. A celebration like that in Scotland would get you a broken pint glass shoved into your throat. |
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