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Rommel
Joined: 01 Apr 2006 Posts: 121
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Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 7:04 am Post subject: |
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Miski, I think the title of your tread says it best. "Take Care of Your Children." Don't leave it up to someone else to raise your kids. There's nothing wrong with having someone come in and help out with the housework. We have two little ones and having someone come in for a few hours a week to do the housework really helps out. But that's not what goes on in Kuwait, and you know it. The vast majority of Kuwaitis don't have much of a hand in raising their children. I've taught primary kids for the past 3 years, and I can count on one hand ( and have still have a few fingers left over ) the number of my students who don't have a live-in maid.
The question I have is: If this person was mentally deranged, and not driven to do this (which was most likely the case) something would have come up in a reference check. Didn't the family check this person out before they turned over their children to her? Sad to say, but probably not. |
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miski
Joined: 04 Jul 2007 Posts: 298 Location: Kuwait
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Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 8:50 am Post subject: |
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Rommel thank you for your post which was plain and not a rant! Yes I agree, far too many kids are left to the maid, it is abominable. My maid does a bit of everything and my kids look on her as a big sister, which I think is great and I don't think is wrong at all, for she has become like a member of our family.
Re the murderer, aparently the Philippines say they do a full mental check before they send their maids over.....but I find this hard to believe. One maid I had to start with ( the first ever) told me 1) she had rabies 2) she had tetanus because she eat many monkeys, jumped ut of my kitchen window and ran up the road in her bare feet- I hadn't beaten , starved or humiliated her. I guess she was just a bit off her rocker. Next time round I struck it lucky and X has been with us ever since.
Teachers who arrive in Kuwait willl be faced with a choice-
1.Put your toddler in a playgroup and there are several .One famous and very attractive one in Salwa (TEPG)is owned by an old drunk who regularly staggers the corridors insulting the staff, and many of the staff he employs are Romanian non graduates, another in Fintas (HC) charges extortionate rates-I think she thinks she's in London......there is another in Abu Al Hasania(T's) run by a friend, very reasonable and well equiped.There are others but I have no exp. of them.
2. Leave your toddler at home with a good maid. My 'star' used to do reading , counting and writing with my first and I was delighted. I have a bright, well centred little girl ( and a not so well centred monster boy....must be the genes)
3. Another choice is that yur school may have a pre-school group (rare) and should offer you at least 50% discount on fees.
The Ministry is at present planning to insist that companies have creche for staff if the number of mothers is 40+ ( unfrtunate if you are in a small co.)
(Hope that was all relevent enough VS ) |
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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It was awfully long, so perhaps it too is a rant. I always taught at university level and it was rare for the teachers to have young kids. Those that did mostly had non-working spouses. But, TEFL teachers were usually older and thus most kids were in school already. The only place that ever provided a creche was at SQU in Oman and it was organized by the mothers... though the university provided a building for them to use.
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trapezius

Joined: 13 Aug 2006 Posts: 1670 Location: Land of Culture of Death & Destruction
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Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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http://arabnews.com/?page=1§ion=0&article=99046&d=29&m=7&y=2007
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The Unfavorable Prospect of Having Saudi Housemaids
Razan Baker, Arab News
JEDDAH, 29 July 2007 � The Ministry of Social Affairs is considering whether to employ Saudi women as housemaids to decrease the rate of unemployment among women which, according to the Ministry of Labor, reached 26 percent in 2006.
The ministry aims to help women support their families, especially since around two million Saudis are poor, said Labor Minister Ghazi Al-Gosaibi. By employing Saudis, MOSA also aims to decrease the number of foreign housemaids coming to the Kingdom.
Although some Saudis sympathize with poor women and support Saudi maids, many others are against the idea and consider such jobs as degrading to the status of Saudi women.
In a recent newspaper interview, a Saudi housemaid said that if people knew where she goes every morning then they would stop her and criticize her. �If they gave me another solution I would accept it, but they don�t. So there�s no need for them to know,� the woman said.
Samira Ismail, a 61-year-old woman, said 30 to 40 years ago her family employed Saudi housemaids. �They were loyal, trustworthy and helped us only during the day because they had families of their own to take care of,� she said. Ismail supports the idea of having Saudi housemaids but only for women who are over 50.
�If these women were young, then they may feel uneasy being surrounded by men, who may flirt with them. Who knows what the consequences of that may be?� she said.
With a recent uproar in Egypt over the prospect of Egyptian women taking jobs as housemaids in the Kingdom, a classified advert seeking a Saudi housemaid who speaks English and is IT literate was published in the Egyptian Al-Karamah newspaper. The advert was most probably published in jest.
The person, who had requested the advert, was willing to pay 1,200 Egyptian pounds and said he had received many phone calls from people who were happy that finally someone had requested for a Saudi housemaid. He added that Saudis were upset at the advert and contacted him to express their disappointment.
Following an uproar about the prospect of seeing Egyptian women working as housemaids in Saudi Arabia, Egyptian Minister of Manpower and Immigration Aisha Abdul Hadi refused to allow Egyptians to work in the Kingdom as housemaids.
�Why should we allow Saudi women to work as housemaids if people in Egypt, where poverty is more, have prevented their women from coming to the Kingdom as maids?� said Maha Abdul Razaq, a Saudi woman. �The authorities need to help these women, but through different ways,� she added.
Ghada Al-Turaif, a sociologist at Riyadh�s King Saud University, also objected to the idea. She told Asharq Al-Awsat, a sister publication of Arab News, that the prospect of Saudis working as housemaids is something that would not be accepted by their families.
�This is unhelpful. This would take us back and is the worse type of abuse these women could possibly experience,� she said.
She suggested that in order to solve the problem, the best thing to do would be to educate women and give them the skills needed to work in factories and beauty salons.
Faiza Al-Zahrani, a Saudi woman in her late 40s, said: �Maybe it is time for us to hire Saudi women so we can begin to feel how hard it actually is for foreigners to come and work here and leave their families.�
She added that having a maid of the same nationality would hopefully draw the maid close to the family and force Saudi parents to spend more time with their children and not make silly demands of their maids. |
So let me get this straight, a Saudi educated woman, a sociologist at a UNIVERSITY no less, with a Ph.D. or an MA, thinks that being a maid is the worst type of abuse?
Or does she think that only about Saudi maids? What is her point? How is being a maid per se, abuse? As with anything, it can be done humanely and kindly, or it can be done cruelly. Or she is against Saudi maids being abused, but is OK with foreign maids being abused?
Or perhaps she thinks that of Saudi families who employ maids, i.e., they abuse their maids? So she doesn't want prospective Saudi maids to get abused. Good. But what about foreighn maids? They deserve the abuse? How come she didn't speak up against having any maids at all, whether foreign or local, whether she thinks being a maid per se is always being in an abusive environment, or whether she thinks that Saudi families who hire maids are abusive?
Or finally, perhaps she thinks that being a maid is degrading for a Saudi woman? Again, so it is OK for foreign women to do it? Asians and Africans are the dirt under the footwear of Saudis, even though they might be better educated than the Saudis, right?
Either way, that sociologist is insane (and RACIST), and needs a check up.
If that's how an academician in SA thinks, what hope is there for the common person?
Lord help us all.
I am sure a lot of letters to the editor will come to Arab News in the next few days, and I would love to post them here... unless of course, this thread gets locked, which I am sure it will. |
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